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Cockpit Chronicles: Landing an airline pilot job just got harder, but here's one way to do it.
Last year H.R. 5900 was signed into law requiring the FAA to set a new 1,500 hour minimum flight time requirement for any new airline pilots including small companies hiring co-pilots for their 19-seat airplanes.The law is mandated to take effect by August of 2013 and was one of the recommendations to come from the Colgan Flight 3407 accident in Buffalo, even though both accident pilots had more than 1,500 hours at the time of the crash, with the captain having logged 3,329 hours and the first officer 2,200.
In the past, major airlines culled their aviators from the military and regional airlines. As hiring tapered off, military pilots went to the much lower paying jobs at the turboprop and small jet operators.
Today, fewer pilots are leaving the military, instead opting to make it a career. Furthermore, Air Force Magazine reported:
USAF is already training more UAV pilots than F-16 pilots. Within two to three years, Air Force officials predict, drone pilots will outnumber F-16 pilots, numbering as high as 1,100.
Airlines don't recognize this as piloting experience, though. Fortunately, these pilots may be able to move on to a flying position after three years in the service, which brings them three years closer to the twenty years needed for retirement, something that may affect their decision to move on to the airlines.
As the military pool of pilots dries up, most new hire classes will be filled with high-time regional airline pilots. But with the 1,500 hour requirement for new co-pilots, (what had been a typical minimum experience at the major airlines) these smaller companies are going to be competing fiercely for new pilots.
So while it's going to be more difficult to get to the 1,500 hour point, once you get there, the job market will likely be far less competitive.
But getting there won't be easy. I'll share with you how I would go about it if I were starting today.
Traditionally, these pilots would then become flight instructors in order to build flight time for a few hundred hours. But now they'll need to extend that employment until they reach at least 1,500 hours. And instructor jobs will be far more scarce, especially as their students drop out after they realize what a daunting (and expensive) task is ahead of them.
If our 250-hour pilot can't find an instructing job, they would have to spend at least another $125,000 renting a single-engine airplane ($100 an hour for 1,250 hours) until they reach the new minimum flight time requirement.
Let's add that up, shall we?
$80,000 for a 4-year college degree in whatever subject they choose.
$40,000 to reach the old minimum ratings and flight time.
Another $125,000 to reach 1,500 hours of flight time.
That works out to $245,000!
Now, I find it hard to believe that anyone would be willing to invest that much money to land a $24,000 a year commuter airline co-pilot job, even one that offers a chance to make $80,000 after upgrading to captain after a number of years.
There's no doubt in my mind that some shortcuts will need to be made. Airlines will likely reduce or drop altogether the requirement for candidates to have a college degree, for example. They'll also lobby the FAA to allow them to hire pilots with less than 1,500 hours if they've gone through an aviation university, perhaps.
Regular readers of the Cockpit Chronicles know that I love my job. I can't imagine doing anything else. But would I recommend this to anyone given the added expenses involved?
That's exactly the question (edited for brevity) that Jeffrey asked this week:
Hey Kent,
I'm a student at a Community College in North Carolina and I hope to have an associates degree by July. The few questions I have to you are about aviation and where I should go from this point forward.
1. After earning my instrument rating and racking up a total of 165.4 hours what is the next step for me? I'm really unsure where to go from here and what to do. Should I cut my losses in aviation and change career goals?
My main concern would be a loan for the commercial training which would be at least a twenty thousand dollars to get my commercial single and multi and CFII rating. That would then put me owing thirty thousand dollars in loans. I do realize that in aviation the money is not great especially for someone first starting out. I'd have to endure several years of low pay as a flight instructor and then several more years as a first officer with low pay. I'm not sure that's something I want to do. I completely understand that money isn't everything but I'd like to be able to live on my own one day and be able to be happy doing what I am doing with my career choice.
2. Would you recommend this industry to anyone that is in my shoes right now? The price of gas is likely causing fewer people to fly. I'm just unsure of the current state of the aviation industry. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
With 164 hours, you've already invested a sizable amount of money to get where you are right now. There are three things that will all happen in the next two years that should give you some hope.
First, the lack of movement at almost every airline is about to change on December 12th of 2012. That's the date when pilots will start hitting the mandatory retirement age again after the number was raised from 60 to 65 back in 2007.
Next, new flight time and duty regulations are set to be announced on August 8th of this year that will likely cause airlines to hire more pilots. In their response to the rule, American Airlines claimed they would need 2,300 more pilots to fly their existing schedule. Currently, American has about 9,500 pilots plus another thousand on furlough.
Finally, the 1,500 hour requirement will likely discourage many potential pilots from putting in the investment and years of training required.
But if you can get to that magic 1,500 hours, you're going to be in an enviable spot in a few years.
Would I do it? Heck yes. It's still a great job, and I can't see myself doing anything else. Although, in fairness not all pilots agree, most notably Sully Sullenberger, that this is still a viable career.
So here's how would I do it today, assuming I couldn't find an instructing job, since flight instructors will be staying around until 1,500 hours, creating a logjam at that position:
First, get your ratings. You'll need a Private, Commercial, Multi-engine, and Instrument licenses, or 'ratings.' Each has different flight time requirements, from 40 hours for the private license to 250 hours for the commercial rating.
In order to get from 250 hours to 1,500 hours I would buy an inexpensive airplane to build up flight time, reducing my cost per hour down to as little as $30 to $50, which might cut the $125,000 in half or more after selling the airplane 1,250 hours later. Airplanes generally don't depreciate much, although it's a buyers market right now in this economy.
Here's an example airplane, a Cessna 172. If that link should break, just go to Barnstormers.com and look at the listings for Cessna 152s, 172s, a Cherokee 140, or, if you're more the type to drive a Mini or an MG, by all means look at the Luscombe, Aeronca Champ, or Cessna 140. All are relatively good values (under $20,000 or $30,000) even if the Luscombe and Champ are more than sixty years old.
So Jeffrey, I think you should stick with it. As someone once said, "The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places."
Let's just hope your future parking place will be at a jetbridge.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Flydog Jun 30th 2011 6:59PM
Thank you so much for this article. I am in a similar position as Jeffrey. My challenge is my age. Im in my early 40's and debating whether I should continue with my training or not.
mad dog Jul 1st 2011 10:44AM
Mr. Wien's article is a thought provoking one, but points out a greater problem. It is the perception that we are "sky wh...." who would do anything to fly. I have had to make some difficult choices when being offered jobs. Sometimes the companies' offers are absurd when you see what the base requirements are, what the working environment is, what the upgrade prospects are, etc. The result is lower quality of life, more time away, divorce, etc. Unions often fail to represent anyone but themselves. Am I bitter? Not really, just wise. As long as the perceived "romance" of flying is greater than the truth, and people are willing to accept more responsibility for miniscule pay and dismal working conditions, this will never improve. One bright spot is that given the current level of training, someday these robbers will be hurting for experienced pilots; and the ones who survived will be in perfect position. I hope that when this happens, they do the other pilots a solid, and not accept crap for pay and working conditions. Supply and demand? Time for the dynamic to change.
Kimberlee Jul 1st 2011 6:18PM
Excellent idea with good information! I'll pass this on to many!
monsontem Jul 2nd 2011 2:50PM
This is the exact information I've been looking for; great stuff, Ken.
One question I had was: Though buying your own plane would definitely be cheaper in the long run, how is a recent college graduate to get a loan for that? I certainly don't have any experience with that (as I'm a young college student myself), but I feel like banks or other lenders would be hesitant to give a recent college grad a $30k loan for that. Do you have any words of wisdom on preparing to finance training itself and/or a plane?
MrBasebal1 Jul 2nd 2011 8:09PM
I wouldn't bother, unless you want to fly old planes for fun. Existing technology will make piloting an aircraft as easy as driving a car. What you saw on "the Jetsons" as a kid will soon become reality. Pilot-less commercial aircraft are currently being developed and will be as common as conductor-less trains are at airports today.
James Jul 3rd 2011 1:49PM
I remember when virtually all airline pilots were trained in the military. I used to idolize pilots and would seek their company like a rock band groupie. The main reason was that they were usually intelligent, interesting people.
The reason for that is simply that qualification for military flight training is very rigorous, both mentally and physically. No more. Civilian trained pilots are a different breed, often boring and not well rounded educationally.
This may not be relevant to this discussion, but I think it is to me.
Kent Wien Jul 3rd 2011 1:58PM
I'd have to disagree. But then again, I'm just a civilian pilot who took the easy way out, flying year-round in Alaska into short strips (like Eek, AK) some of which were actually just a piece of ice floating over the ocean.
I'll leave it at that, so as not to bore you further.
I can give you examples of some pretty amazing civilian and military pilots and a few less than stellar aviators from both camps. It's impossible to generalize.
James Jul 3rd 2011 2:19PM
Kent, I concede your point. My observation is entirely anecdotal and certainly overly generalized. But it is valid so far to me. I know that I would not be in the least bored if it were possible to have that discussion with you.
Ed Jul 3rd 2011 5:51PM
My advice would be to finish flight school as quick as possible, and apply with a carrier like American Eagle. They are hiring at 800/100 and 500/50 if you got trained at that certain national flight school. I am not affiliated w/said school, and in fact have done all my training at the local part 61 school. However, I am planning to do their 2 week CFI/MEI/II course, teach for as long as it takes to have the numbers, and beat the the 1500 hr rule.
And regarding that piece of legislation, I understand your point about buying a plane to build hours (and think it's good advice), I just don't believe we will have better pilots because some guy's logbook has an extra 1200 hrs of VFR flying.
Now if it was all done in the Alaska bush that's another story....
Joseph Jul 3rd 2011 9:58PM
Hello, Kent, I have a question about the article that you wrote about landing an airline pilot job. Is it true that the airline industry will be less competitive by the time I apply for a position as a first officer at an airline (which I highly doubt for now)?
Is any of this stuff true about all these other things you said in the article above?
I agree with the stuff you said about the 1,500 hour rule.
I hope to attend flight school during college, while I major in geography in several years.
After college, I plan to go back to flight school to become a flight instructor
and accumulate 2,000 hours of flying time by providing quality and top notch flight instruction to student pilots at any flight school that I work at, so that I can obtain the ATPL.
After that, I will try to accumulate about another 2,000 hours at any small airline, or perhaps NetJets if I'm lucky enough. If I make it to NetJets I can perhaps spend those 2,000 hours or more flying private turbofan jets, so that I can become a better candidate to apply for a major airline.
If I dont make it to NetJets, I can work for a small airline and then move on to Netjets so that I can make it to the major airlines.
And one more question, why does American Airlines have so many pilots on furlough, like 9,300 pilots?
monsontem Jul 6th 2011 12:52AM
I think the furlough count for American Airlines is currently sitting at around 1800, if I'm not mistaken.
Source:
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/american.html
Kent Wien Jul 9th 2011 4:59AM
Hi Joseph,
I stand by what I said. But it's good to have some skepticism about a pilot shortage. It's been parroted for years by industry experts and hasn't quite happened yet. But the combined duty time regulations that will require more pilots (Delta claims just a few hundred would be needed, AA says 2,300 for them) and the 1,500 hour rule, and you can see how the market will dry up rather quickly.
Until then, airlines, especially the regionals, may try to pick up as many as they can before the rule goes into effect.
NetJets is becoming quite a destination in itself. I have a few friends there who have no desire to fly for the major airlines. In fact, one good friend of mine retired at 50 years old from AA to work at NetJets.
See my comment below for a clarification of the furlough numbers at AA.
Kent Wien Jul 9th 2011 5:03AM
American is recalling pilots rapidly right now. As of the July 6 class, there are currently 974 pilots who are on furlough and have not been offered recall. There are 763 pilots who remain on deferred status.
Many of the deferred are pilots who have found work at other airlines and have no plans to come back. I suspect that sometime in the first half of 2012, AA will have to start hiring 'off the street.'
There are about 9,600 pilots employed by AA right now, not including the furloughed ones mentioned above.
Airline Wisdom Jul 6th 2011 8:19PM
Jeffery, why not try working as a CFI to gain flight time. Some of the flight schools are already starting to feel the crunch of the next big boom in pilot hiring. CFIs are needed
Airline Wisdom Jul 6th 2011 8:23PM
Mad Dog,
What an appropriate name. You're exactly what the airlines don't want to hire. I wish you luck in a career that will make you happy. My airline career has made me incredibly happy. It beats working for a living:)
Ed Jul 7th 2011 3:53PM
Indeed! I have worked so many jobs for lackluster pay w/no hope of ever making more. At least w/aviation, if you can get your foot in the door you might just rise up the ranks and make a decent living. Plus you get to play w/planes all day....
I know an Eagle captain who is making a solid 6 figure salary. Sounds good to me.
Doctor Phil Jul 8th 2011 9:02AM
I agree with Airline Wisdom!
Airline Wisdom Jul 7th 2011 9:43PM
Ed is so right. Flying for the airlines is incredible but not always perfect. It has it's ups and downs. If you make it through a career without being furloughed it will be a miracle.... I've worked my way up through 3 bankrupt airlines, flown DC3s, Martin 404s, Beech 99s, F27s, EMB-110s, EMB120s, BAe 146s and the CRJ. 18 days off a month with a six figure income ain't bad.
For the young folks, listen carefully. You'll all get an airline job. There is a crictical shortage of pilots on the horizon so everyone reading this will get an airline job. What you want to do is get it as fast as you can and get that seniority number. You'll have to live through the 1st year pay. What does a doctor make his first year? Think about that. Advice to aspiring airline pilots.....There is zero tolerance for drugs. You can't drink and drive. You have to keep traffic violations at a minimum. If you're in school, you've got to study hard and keep your GPA up. Most important you'll have to maintain a good work ethic....If you don't believe me read HR 5900. It says a lot other than making sure you have 1500 hours, 500 PIC and being 23 years old.......Maybe you want listen to your parents or professors in college but hopefully you'll listen to an airline pilot with over 20,000 hours of flight time. You can play later......You'll have incredible opportunities for travel later on.....Work hard now.....Study and be prepared for those flight lessons, be super prepared for check rides. Too many check ride failures is a kiss of death for getting on with an airline.
Kent Wien Jul 9th 2011 5:04AM
Absolutely excellent advice, Airline Wisdom!
Airline Hopeful Jul 11th 2011 5:37AM
I'm glad I ran into this post today because I've really been getting down about my future in flight. I've sat back and contemplated do I chase my dream or do I chase the money and this article has helped me make this decision a slight bit easier.
I plan to graduate with up to my multi-commercial my flight dispatchers exam taken but the question still was what do I do from graduation. You can't dispatch until you 23 and as stated above your multi-commercial isn't worth much to anybody unless you have the necessary hours.
When posed 6 figures in debt a 6 month grace period after graduation and not only wanting a better life for yourself but for your family as well do you A. Go to grad school and get an MBA in an aviation related field because aviation is my passion B. Join the military but not have the vision to be a pilot for them and potentially doing some random job as an officer C. Go all in on aviation and hope everything falls into place.
Given these options what would you guys do or suggest?