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Plane Answers: Can passengers survive an explosive depressurization?
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!Josh asks:
We've all heard the standard spiel about oxygen masks and flotation devices. Likewise, we've all seen the cartoonish drawings of proper positioning of one's body in the event of an emergency (the "brace for impact" pose), etc... Two things I've heard people say are that:
a) the air temperature outside the cabin at most cruising altitudes on jet engine planes is sufficient to instantly freeze all bodies on board solid within literally seconds;
b) the change in air pressure is likely to be so disruptive to one's ear drum, putting on oxygen masks and taking the fetal position is difficult to impossible due to disorientation.
As to the first one, I've flown many a Delta flight where on screen displays indicate the temperature outside the cabin to be extremely low (far far below zero). Likewise, I recall reading an article about a jet crash in Greece (I think) where the plane was supposedly depressurized in flight and crashed into a mountain. The report indicated that rescue workers arrived in a relatively short time, but everybody on board was in fact frozen solid. The report indicated this happened in the air, and w/in seconds of depressurization, not on the ground. So there seems to be some credence to this one.
As for the second one, about air pressure and disorientation, I'm of the understanding that though the need arises very rarely, passengers have been able to take action to put on oxygen masks when necessary. Of course, I don't know how many times (if ever) that need has arisen when at any significant altitude.
So are these frequent flyer myths, exaggerations, based in some fact or accurate descriptions of the reality of jet travel?
The most common cause of depressurization on an airplane is from the loss of both of the air conditioning and pressurization "packs." There are two of these units that pressurize the cabin on all airliners and one of them is allowed to be inoperative, although it's not a common occurrence. Should the airplane lose the remaining pack, the cabin altitude, which normally allows for a comfortable 6,000 feet when the airplane is flying above FL 300 (30,000 feet), will slowly climb to the same altitude the airplane is flying.
So it's imperative that the pilots descend below 14,000 feet, the altitude that the masks will deploy, as soon as possible and to level off at 10,000 feet or lower.
This situation recently happened to my brother. He was able to descend to a lower altitude and the cabin altitude never exceeded 10,000 feet, so no passenger masks dropped from the ceiling.
In the case of an explosive depressurization, like that of Aloha flight 243, these masks will be extremely important. Those passengers as well as the people aboard a United 747 that lost a cargo door, were able to don the masks and remain warm enough to survive until the airplane reached a lower altitude. Both those cases were near Hawaii, however. So it could be a rather cold descent anywhere else. But the initial explosive depressurization didn't result in so much disorientation that they couldn't put their masks on.

And you're right, it's common to see minus 40 to minus 60 degrees Fahrenheit (-40 to -50 Celsius) when at altitude. At temperatures of minus 40 (C or F), skin freezes almost instantly, although the temperature warms quickly as you descend.
Finally, the Greek Helios 737 flight that you mention was never pressurized after takeoff, because of a mistake that was especially tragic. The pilots inadvertently departed without noticing the pressurization controller was in the manual position. They missed the ear-popping cues, the temperature cues, the warning lights on the overhead, and they misdiagnosed a cabin altitude warning horn for the horn that notifies pilots that the airplane is unsafe for takeoff because of incorrectly configured flaps, trim or speedbrakes. Interestingly, the sound of the horn is identical in both situations.
On a side-note, I've talked to the Boeing engineers who worked on an early version of a 'text message' system called CPDLC that air traffic controllers can use to provide instructions to pilots. I asked these engineers what sound they would be choosing to alert the pilots of an incoming message.
As I suspected, they explained that they would be using the same sound that flight attendants use to call the pilots. And that chime is used for FMC wind and route uplink notifications among other things. They claimed that studies have shown that people have difficulty differentiating between more than five types of sounds.
The Helios pilots failed to understand this warning horn and subsequently failed to don their masks, resulting in the masks dropping in the back of the airplane while the pilots were trying to simply silence the warning horn.
Oxygen is vital for a pilot to be able to troubleshoot an abnormal situation as this amazing recording between a cargo flight that lost pressurization and air traffic control demonstrates. Note the altitude warning horn in the background of this ATC tape with the flight:
On a similar, but far less morbid topic, Steve asks:
What is the average temperature inside commercial airliners? I was told 82 degrees F by a pilot who was seated next to me in first class. This is to put everyone to sleep. At 35,000 ft. the temperature outside is -60 F, correct?
Yes, it's often nearly that cold, as I mentioned above. According to our indications on the Boeing, we shoot for around 70 to 72 degrees. Unfortunately, it's very difficult for that indicator to be perfectly calibrated. And when the flight is nearly full, pumping 70 degree air into the cabin can be too warm. Fewer passengers on board means we need to increase the selected temperature.
But by far the biggest driver of the temperature is the flight attendant. Typically they like it a bit cooler while they're working hard to get a meal service accomplished, and afterwards, when they're not as active, they'll need it to be warmer. So on your next flight, see if the first part of the flight, during the meal service, is cooler than the latter part.
If it were up to the pilots, the controls for the cabin temperature would be in the back, with the flight attendants. The 777 has some control over the temperature provided to the flight attendants, resulting in far fewer calls to the pilots asking for warmer or cooler temperatures.
And contrary to the belief by some cynics out there, we're definitely NOT keeping the cabin cooler to sell more blankets.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 5)
Fred Apr 17th 2010 11:16PM
I have flown probably about 230 (takeoffs) times in my life and been through some very rough turbulence and two wild static discharges (which are pretty exciting) and one visual near-miss, but never anything that would prompt me to say something as stupid as "How insane do you have to be to fly these days?". Yes, flying isn't nearly as much fun as it used to be, but that has nothing to do with safety, it's all connected with tight seating, TSA and diminished service. On the other hand, I have felt my life was in danger countless times while driving.
jim z Apr 17th 2010 11:38PM
I still have my "jet" card. and no you just dont flash freeze from rapid decompression. Hypoxia makes you stupid very quickly and the time of useful conciousness is short without supplemental O2. First thing ATP rated pilots train for is getting the O2 mask on before anything else. Pilot survival is job one. Please believe in that. Unless the overhead compartment opens up and drops a pressure demand mask onto your face, you will pass out in about thirty seconds. During the brief time you are awake you wont be aware of very much and you shouldn't worry about that. Trust that the pilot pops the speed brake boards and puts the nose down after he dons his mask and assures his survival. You have no idea how fast an airliner can head downhill-you really never want to find out.
Outside air temperature at thirty thousand feet is a non-issue. Again, don't worry about that. The airplane gets sudden pressure drop and the pilots head down to lower altitude. Right away, the automatic temperature controls have "turned up the heat" to maintain the set point temps. the engine bleed air( the source of pressurized air for heating, cooling and pressurization) comes off the engine at about four hundred degrees F. You won't freeze.
Matthew Apr 18th 2010 10:26AM
Lizzie being that I used to be a flight attendant I can tell you you are WRONG! We do not turn heat on to make you fall asleep. And for this story there are all kinds of depressurization situations. Some I think are worse than other depending on whats happened. If you get a big gaping hole then yes everyoe willfreeze. A small leak wont freeze everyone. The way to tell is by the windows fogging over. Look up details on golf player payne webber I believe thats how its spelled. His jet lost pressure and the o2 system went out. They thought it had been hijacked and sent fighter jets up to check it out when they got up there all the windows were fogged over. They knew what had happened. When captain doesnt respond to condiotions the air planes sytem converts to auto pilot. They could donothing but follow the plane until it crashed and stayed wiht it to make sure it didnt go near large cities or they would have shot it down. Everyone was dead due to lack of o2 anyway.They never knew what happened. And so everyone knows being a flight attendant isnt just giinvg out drinks. Thats a perk for you. We are there to save you in case of emergency and make sure everything is ok during flights!
chris wludy Apr 17th 2010 11:20PM
The author of this article should watch for typos. The whole thing was nonsense that made more confusion than anything else, as his numbers were meaningless.
moeelmore Apr 17th 2010 11:29PM
Been through rapid decompression several times and have made free fall parachute drops from 25/26000 feet many times using oxygen. I have held my head outside the plane to jumpmaster as well and never froze to death! I also jumpmastered sky divers in 20-30 below temps without frostbite.
During rapid decompression your lungs will equalize pressure - if you are chewing gum you will probably loose it. You also may fart a lot for a bit for the same reason. for oxygen to help you need a higher partial pressure to off set the mix of oxygen to inert gases. that is why air crew get positive pressure forcing oxygen into the user and requiring concious effort to exhale. We used oxygen bottles providing positive pressure during the free falls to make sure we had adequate content. I do not know the affect of using airline oxygen in such a situation, but some is better than none. Pilots have to descendquickly or over time all except the pilot/copilot will be in trouble.
john Apr 17th 2010 11:44PM
this is why i hate planes, too many complications, errors,malfunctions ect.
gs Apr 18th 2010 12:04AM
you all should watch myth busters - the pressur in the cabin is 14.7 lbs per square inch tops - the oxygen will save you if you do not freeze to death - nothing gets sucked, not even your inadequate penis
gr8bsn Apr 17th 2010 11:48PM
I think that we have Hollywood to thank for the myths of explosive decompression.
gr8bsn Apr 17th 2010 11:50PM
You're actually pretty save. Your odds of dying on a commercial flight are 1 in 13 million. Less than 1% of all airplanes built are involved in fatal crashes. The jet you are flying on is a well engineered flying machine that cost tens of millions of dollars. No, they aren't perfect but let's face it, you're really gonna drive from LA to Boston?
ex flight test Apr 17th 2010 11:58PM
People seem to forget that in WWII aircrew routinely flew at 20kft and higher with oxygen and no pressurization. Now, you don't want to stay at that altitude in a suit for a long period of time but you're not going to freeze unless you stay there for a long time. Don't forget, that golfer flew hundreds of miles for over an hour with no pressure and no oxygen. You get a rapid decompression, first thing that's going to happen is the pilot is going to dive to 10kft. It'll be an E-ticket ride but its not going to kill you.
More of a problem will be what CAUSED the rapid decompression. Leak, door blowing open, that's pretty survivable. Engine blades blowing through the fuselage, that's another matter. Or if a large part of the aircraft starts coming off.
But, don't forget, these airplanes are engineered to take a lot of stress. Way more than most commercial service will ever put on them.
It may be trashed after that flight, but its probably going to get you home.
Now 40 or 50 below is not nice. But its not going to turn you into a popscicle.
As far as oxygen, you need that quick. Which is why they say get your mask on, then check for the person next to you. No doubt somebody is going to get their mask on. Even if its a stewardess with a walk around bottle checking them. And airplanes do carry emergency oxygen in a walkaround bottle with the first aid supplies.
Lots of aircraft in the military have had depressurizations, and its survivable. Which is why they tell you to keep the oxygen mask on or loose above 10kft.
Jan Apr 18th 2010 12:08AM
When they tell you to adopt the fetal position, what they are really telling you is kiss your a-s goodbye!
Duane Apr 18th 2010 12:45AM
The story states that the temperature outside a jet at altitude "would freeze a body solid in seconds" is absurd, and completely false. The air temp at 35000 ft is aroulnd -40 degrees F. That WILL NOT FREEZE A BODY SOLID IN SECONDS! I've lived in Alaska for many many years and frequently gone outdoors unprotected for a good many minutes, completely safe. In 1975 I was on the Alaskan Pipeline at Old Man Camp in January when the North American low temperature record was set at -82 F. While it was bitter, I did not freeze solid and I proved that the exposure was quite surviveable by walking to an adjacent warehouse (about 300 yards) with nothing but a good Pendleton shirt on. It was cold as hell but when I got there but not harmed. Unprotected skin in a still air environment like a plane cabin would not suffer any damage in the time it would take a plane to get down to 10000 ft. where O2 would not be required. A jet could reduce it's altitude in an emergency in about 2 to 3 minutes.
Shelly Apr 18th 2010 3:14AM
Im in Minnesota. I have been outside in minus 35 - 40 temps. Skin freezes very fast but it's a matter of a few minutes rather then a few seconds. That would make a huge difference in a plane because it is enough time to put on an oxygen mask and if the plane drops fast the temp will be much warmer and I think it is possible to survive.
trolleydolly Apr 18th 2010 1:21AM
Some of you are really getting your air disasters mixed up. I do not recall the exact date of the Aloha Flt. 243 incident, but will never forget United Flt. 811 on Feb.24, 1989 HNL-AKL. I was a flight attendant on that flight!
Tyler Durden Apr 18th 2010 1:28AM
Oxygen gets you high. In a catastrophic emergency, you're taking giant panicked breaths. Suddenly you become euphoric, docile. You accept your fate. It's all right here. Emergency water landing - 600 miles an hour. Blank faces, calm as Hindu cows.
james Apr 18th 2010 2:20AM
ever hear of hypoxia?????
pachingartela Apr 18th 2010 2:30AM
You are waaayyyyy more likely to die, yes die, in a car accident than to have any of the events mentioned in that article. And for those of you who prefer not to drive, you are way more likely to die from being run over by a car, bus, train, truck than to have a mishap on a plane
Lucy Apr 18th 2010 3:04AM
Re: cool temps for meal service. Domestic meal service hardly exists anymore.
Re: oxygen mask dropping. On a NW flight the masks dropped suddenly. Only three of us out of 70 people pulled our mask to our face. The captain finally announced that a lever was mistakenly pulled. Upon landing, the flight attendants said "all must disembark because 3 people pulled their mask and because of this the aircraft now needs attention." Three people got "punished" for pilot error.
This happened about 5 or 6 years ago and my blood pressure still rises when I think of that condescending flight attendant.
Yes, I would do it again.
Gigi Apr 18th 2010 3:18AM
Re meal service. Obviously the majority of you making jokes about the lack of meals don't fly international... we typically serve 2 hot meals and a mid flight snack on all international flights. And yes, after serving premeal cocktails, picking them up, hot towels, pick up, drinks and meals, pick up, dessert, pick up, after dinner drinks and coffee, pick up, we get hot in our ugly polyester/wool uniforms and cool down the temperature. Would you want someone serving you food with sweat running down their face?
ruthsgardens Apr 18th 2010 3:25AM
Well let's look at this for a minute.With most commercial aircraft flying at cruising speeds of 480-600 mph,let's say 600mph.And we have mach 1 being at 761.2 mph.The mach factor is higher at higher elevations at lower speeds than higher speeds at sea level.We will leave out the other factors.Needless to say at 30,000 feet with a cabin depressurization at 600 mph it would take 33.3 seconds to hit a safe equal cabin pressurization at 10,000 feet.That is with a pilot assist.Without a pilot the speed will increase fast.Even with a pilot assist it will increase fast whether intentional to hit 10,000 feet as quick as possible or not.Either way the time would be less than 33.3 seconds.Whether mach 1 is reached is up to the pilots as long as they have power and are not free falling.Either way most people do not lose consciousness due to lake of oxygen until after 52+ seconds.The G-force created would be no more than 4 which is the equivalent to a roller coaster ride.In -40 farhenheit it would take the core temperature of a human body to drop to danger within 4-5 minutes before blood being dissapated as skin begins to freeze.So in all essence it would be a cold roller coaster ride for a half a minute or so.But what do I know. I only stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.