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Plane Answers: Can passengers survive an explosive depressurization?
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!Josh asks:
We've all heard the standard spiel about oxygen masks and flotation devices. Likewise, we've all seen the cartoonish drawings of proper positioning of one's body in the event of an emergency (the "brace for impact" pose), etc... Two things I've heard people say are that:
a) the air temperature outside the cabin at most cruising altitudes on jet engine planes is sufficient to instantly freeze all bodies on board solid within literally seconds;
b) the change in air pressure is likely to be so disruptive to one's ear drum, putting on oxygen masks and taking the fetal position is difficult to impossible due to disorientation.
As to the first one, I've flown many a Delta flight where on screen displays indicate the temperature outside the cabin to be extremely low (far far below zero). Likewise, I recall reading an article about a jet crash in Greece (I think) where the plane was supposedly depressurized in flight and crashed into a mountain. The report indicated that rescue workers arrived in a relatively short time, but everybody on board was in fact frozen solid. The report indicated this happened in the air, and w/in seconds of depressurization, not on the ground. So there seems to be some credence to this one.
As for the second one, about air pressure and disorientation, I'm of the understanding that though the need arises very rarely, passengers have been able to take action to put on oxygen masks when necessary. Of course, I don't know how many times (if ever) that need has arisen when at any significant altitude.
So are these frequent flyer myths, exaggerations, based in some fact or accurate descriptions of the reality of jet travel?
The most common cause of depressurization on an airplane is from the loss of both of the air conditioning and pressurization "packs." There are two of these units that pressurize the cabin on all airliners and one of them is allowed to be inoperative, although it's not a common occurrence. Should the airplane lose the remaining pack, the cabin altitude, which normally allows for a comfortable 6,000 feet when the airplane is flying above FL 300 (30,000 feet), will slowly climb to the same altitude the airplane is flying.
So it's imperative that the pilots descend below 14,000 feet, the altitude that the masks will deploy, as soon as possible and to level off at 10,000 feet or lower.
This situation recently happened to my brother. He was able to descend to a lower altitude and the cabin altitude never exceeded 10,000 feet, so no passenger masks dropped from the ceiling.
In the case of an explosive depressurization, like that of Aloha flight 243, these masks will be extremely important. Those passengers as well as the people aboard a United 747 that lost a cargo door, were able to don the masks and remain warm enough to survive until the airplane reached a lower altitude. Both those cases were near Hawaii, however. So it could be a rather cold descent anywhere else. But the initial explosive depressurization didn't result in so much disorientation that they couldn't put their masks on.

And you're right, it's common to see minus 40 to minus 60 degrees Fahrenheit (-40 to -50 Celsius) when at altitude. At temperatures of minus 40 (C or F), skin freezes almost instantly, although the temperature warms quickly as you descend.
Finally, the Greek Helios 737 flight that you mention was never pressurized after takeoff, because of a mistake that was especially tragic. The pilots inadvertently departed without noticing the pressurization controller was in the manual position. They missed the ear-popping cues, the temperature cues, the warning lights on the overhead, and they misdiagnosed a cabin altitude warning horn for the horn that notifies pilots that the airplane is unsafe for takeoff because of incorrectly configured flaps, trim or speedbrakes. Interestingly, the sound of the horn is identical in both situations.
On a side-note, I've talked to the Boeing engineers who worked on an early version of a 'text message' system called CPDLC that air traffic controllers can use to provide instructions to pilots. I asked these engineers what sound they would be choosing to alert the pilots of an incoming message.
As I suspected, they explained that they would be using the same sound that flight attendants use to call the pilots. And that chime is used for FMC wind and route uplink notifications among other things. They claimed that studies have shown that people have difficulty differentiating between more than five types of sounds.
The Helios pilots failed to understand this warning horn and subsequently failed to don their masks, resulting in the masks dropping in the back of the airplane while the pilots were trying to simply silence the warning horn.
Oxygen is vital for a pilot to be able to troubleshoot an abnormal situation as this amazing recording between a cargo flight that lost pressurization and air traffic control demonstrates. Note the altitude warning horn in the background of this ATC tape with the flight:
On a similar, but far less morbid topic, Steve asks:
What is the average temperature inside commercial airliners? I was told 82 degrees F by a pilot who was seated next to me in first class. This is to put everyone to sleep. At 35,000 ft. the temperature outside is -60 F, correct?
Yes, it's often nearly that cold, as I mentioned above. According to our indications on the Boeing, we shoot for around 70 to 72 degrees. Unfortunately, it's very difficult for that indicator to be perfectly calibrated. And when the flight is nearly full, pumping 70 degree air into the cabin can be too warm. Fewer passengers on board means we need to increase the selected temperature.
But by far the biggest driver of the temperature is the flight attendant. Typically they like it a bit cooler while they're working hard to get a meal service accomplished, and afterwards, when they're not as active, they'll need it to be warmer. So on your next flight, see if the first part of the flight, during the meal service, is cooler than the latter part.
If it were up to the pilots, the controls for the cabin temperature would be in the back, with the flight attendants. The 777 has some control over the temperature provided to the flight attendants, resulting in far fewer calls to the pilots asking for warmer or cooler temperatures.
And contrary to the belief by some cynics out there, we're definitely NOT keeping the cabin cooler to sell more blankets.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 5)
RBJ Apr 13th 2010 7:25AM
To all the commentators of the myth of freezing in flight.IF any of you remember the incident with the golfer Payne Stewart you will understand that what your are saying is completely false.Rapid decompression occured on this flight due to a valve which was no bigger than 6" in diameter.The sudden rush of sub-zero air at altitude will literally STOP YOUR HEART.Needless to mention the lack of oxygen.The flightcrew was almost instantly incapacitated and did not have time to don their oxygen masks or disengage the autopilot.When a fighter aircraft was launched to investigate the non-responsiveness of the aircraft to many ground control calls the entire cabin was observed to be frozen.Since the flight was over a non populated area the aircraft was allowed to come to earth after running out of fuel. Yes,I have over 20 years of commercial acft. experience.Rapid decompression at altitude is no joke.
ANDY Apr 13th 2010 1:23AM
NO---YOU WILL NOT FREEZE SOLID -- THAT IS STUPID
THE TEMPS OUTSIDE YES ARE VERY VERY VERY OLD AND WELL BELOW ZERO BUT NOT100 BELOW OR MORE AS REQUIRED TO FREEZE SOMEONE SOLID IN SECONDS
COME ON PEOPLE USE SOME COMMON SENSE
Jeff Apr 13th 2010 5:46AM
The scary thing about that aloha flight is that they fixed that big hole and put it back in service now thats scary!I dont belive theres any safe place on a jetliner.A lot of what kills you is g forces if its on fast hard decent or impact. Even with no broken bones or burns or cuts your organs rip open in side you and you bleed to death.They say its safer then driving but I can hit a wall and may walk away from that let a jet hit a wall another story.If more people stopped driving and flew it would change more jets in the sky greater chance of impact.
DD Apr 17th 2010 11:32PM
Jeff:
The damage to the Aloha plane was too catastrophic to repair and put back into service---it was scrapped.
MVFlyer Apr 13th 2010 12:55PM
Oh, I thought the picture posted with the beginning of the article was a coin slot on Ryanair for paying for oxygen should the cabin lose pressure! :-)
I've always been mildly amused when the flight attendants say "place the mask over your nose and mouth and breathe normally". I can tell you I won't be breathing "normally" if all of the air is rushing out of the plane!
Erika Apr 15th 2010 9:58AM
I was on a Southwest flight that experienced a situation much like the one Kent's brother probably did. We were mid flight at FL340 when suddenly we started descending. Everyone's ears were popping and the flight attendants were briskly securing the cabin. Soon after the captain explained that the plane wasn't maintaining pressurization properly and that we would divert and change planes. The captain also made a comment that he wasn't sure if we had even noticed the change in altitude in the back (we did).
On a different subject, Kent, I was wondering where you heard the fact about people only being able to differentiate 4 or 5 tones? As a music student I'd really be curious to understand that a little better. Thanks!
Kent Wien Apr 15th 2010 10:05AM
It was a Boeing engineer who claimed humans could only recognize 5 different warning bells. I'd rather they give us the benefit of the doubt and add some new tones. As it stands, there are at least eight identical 'dings' that mean completely different things. So I doubt adding a few more sounds would make it more confusing.
Maybe it's time to embrace voice commands like most every GPS has now.
Leon Apr 18th 2010 12:12AM
If you or anyone of the human type, gets several years of the Powered Subwoofer inside your car, you can count on getting your hearing messed up. Riding a motorcycle, using the wrong helmet, you can get your hearing messed up. Half helmet, hearing going to be messed up, if you keep at it. Now it would look weird driving the car with a full face helmet, that covers the ears, just to listen to or, bother others using the powered subwoofer. The point is we all live and do things differently, because we are all differrent. Not protecting the ears from the ongoing loud stuff, just means the hearing is going to be messed up. How about the occupational noise? If the owners or Managers won't fix it (fans, machines, industrial type stuff, that comes with the job) and the hearing does not get protected, we all hear things differently. The summary is some folks hearing just messed up, based upon what we do. We hear differently. Really nothing difficult to understand about it. We have the right to live differently than you. Don't throw away your Motorcycle, get a full face helmet, with the foam, and the stuff almost near a respiratory but, better than Nothing. Modular is better than nothing. Spend the bucks and use a real respirator in the Modular. Turn down the radio. People in the car getting the worst of it. Wake up America.
Jason Apr 13th 2010 10:36PM
I am in the USAF and I had the opportunity to receive physiological training at Peterson AFB, where I twice trained in their hyperbaric chamber. This chamber is used to train Air Force crew members their hypoxia symptoms in the event of pressurization loss. The chamber is airtight, and once they close the door, they can reduce the pressure to the equivalent of up to 40,000 feet, but most sessions are typically run up to 29,000ft. All members inside have access to an oxygen mask identical to ones used inside USAF fighter planes, and they reduce the pressure of the chamber in less than 1 minute. At FL290, Time of Useful Consciousness is approximately 3-5 minutes depending on the individual. One of the problems with hypoxia is that an individual begins to lose awareness. It honestly feels like having a few beers. Another symptom is euphoria. That is another problem because you can feel happier as you are losing oxygen in your system and may want to stay in that state of being. Those who lose consciousness will recover to consciousness once oxygen is reinstated in the blood. at higher altitudes, TUC becomes shorter. There are many other symptoms of hypoxia, but the main issue is that it can really affect the pilot's ability to safely fly the aircraft, hence why the FAA has instated safe oxygen rules for cabin altitudes.
In the case of the 737 in Greece, one of the flight attendants, who actually had a pilot's license, was conscious even though everyone else had passed out. Unfortunately, his hypoxia was already very severe, and he managed to make his way to the cockpit and control the aircraft, but the plane ran out of fuel. He was also in that very hypoxic state where it was difficult to control the aircraft.
Marc Apr 14th 2010 6:47AM
Keeping it cooler? I can't remember the last time I was on a plane where I felt it was below 85F. 99% of planes are too friggen hot. While all the women will whine.. there's a simple rule about temperature control.. its easier to warm up than it is to cool down. You can always put more clothes on, but you can't always take more off.
PLEASE.. for the love of whatever god you worship (or don't).. keep the cabins cold.
molly Apr 17th 2010 8:41PM
"At -40 skin freezes almost instantly," says the author. I grew up in the Arctic and school never closed because of cold weather. And no, we did not arrive at school with frozen skin, or at the end of the day, having trudged home, also several times a year, at -40, our skin was rosy, but not frozen.
Kent Wien Apr 17th 2010 10:32PM
Hi Molly,
I was simply quoting a study (with link) that showed it was no longer safe to have exposed skin at temperatures below -40 since "skin will freeze almost instantly" they say.
Kent (from Fairbanks/Anchorage)
TxPilot Apr 17th 2010 8:27PM
I wouldn't worry too much about TUC or hypoxia or for that matter the outside air temp. What you have to worry about is the pilots getting the plane down to an altitude where those funky little cabin oxygen masks will work. At high altitudes you can't physically breathe and oxygen must be forced into your lungs under pressure. It's called pressure breathing and I'm surprised all the airline/military expert commentators didn't mention this little known fact.
Matt Apr 17th 2010 8:40PM
About thirty years ago I had an opportunity to fly in a Navy aircraft and had to get ejection seat certified. Part of the training was going into the hyperbaric chamber as JSKON mentions. After sealing us in, we were given a math test to complete. We were told that if you feel a bit disoriented then put your oxygen mask on. The math quiz was easy... at first. Then I remembered being a little confused on why I couldn't focus on the test and that I better get cracking on it. Next thing I knew, an instructor was knocking on my helmet asking if I was okay (he had strapped my mask on me once I blacked out). Once the oxygen was flowing I was quite awake and felt normal. Other guys in the chamber said that I just sat there with a blank stare and was unresponsive to the instructor's orders to put the mask on myself. Looking at my math quiz afterwards, I saw that I got progessively sloppy and had multiple errors , up to were I couldn't read what I wrote.
If I was a pilot... I would've been a hole in the ground.
My take home message: when the mask drops in your face; put it on as fast as you can! Afterwards, you are in a position to help others.
Flight tester Apr 18th 2010 1:41PM
Sorry folks, but most of this information is totally wrong.
One does not instantly freeze at subzero temperatures, even as low as -60F. I have flown for hours with cabin/cockpit temperature at -40F and lower. Yes, your toes, fingers and nose may get a little numb and even some frostbite at the very worse. I have also flown many flights above 20,000 ft. for long durations without oxygen or cabin pressure. Just breathe slow, deep and easy. No problem.
For the ear popping, just yawn, or stick a finger in the ears and pump in and out, or cup your palms over the ears and do likewise.
Hint: just pretend you've climbed Mt. Everest at 27,000 ft.elevation!
chiefbean1107 Apr 17th 2010 10:14PM
You have to be a pilot to make such an asanine claim. It may and most probably be possible to do all that you claim, however, for the average person/ passenger to endure those conditions........ Well, pull your head out of the...."clouds".
rich Apr 17th 2010 9:38PM
RBJ, just happened to read this, are you just stupid or uninformed. Payne Stewarts incident happened over time and the crew first were incapacitated by a slow decrease in the O2 level as they climbed to altitude. After that, the temp in the cabin fell to a level where the occupants were in freezing conditions, but were most probably already dead from lack of oxygen. You people who have no idea what you're talking about should refrain from putting out erroneous info.
pmsilverman Apr 17th 2010 9:00PM
Thank you all for all the comments. this was an excellent topic to discuss and I enjoyed every response.
Alphaboo Apr 17th 2010 9:22PM
Well how did all those B-17 crews survive flying at 30,000 plus for a few hours during their bomb runs when their cabin was unpressurized? All non-pressurized planes have a ceiling of 14,000. A plane chasing a supposed UFO climbed to 15,000 feet and the pilot was told what he thought he saw was because he was developing hypoxia because he flew over 14,000 in an unpressurized cabin without O2. WWII flight crews constantly faced -35 degree temps and as long as they had their oxygen hook-ups and portable O2 bottles for bailing out, moving around the cabin and in case of failure of the main O2 lines they lived unless of course they were hit by a Me or BF with a 20mm cannon.
Joe Papierz Jr Apr 17th 2010 9:23PM
This article is part fact and a lot of fiction. Would one of the self appointed experts please explain to me how I could walk about 15 yards to the garbage bin in Fairbanks, Alaska when the temperature was -60 degrees wearing only normal underwear, T-shirt, slacks, and boots to dump the days garbage after breakfast when I visited my sister and brother-in-law without dying "instantly" or other wise from the exposure. I did also have military issue fur lined dress gloves and a scarf around my neck and over my mouth and nose so I inhaled and exhaled onlly through the scarf and didn't take the cold air diectly into my lungs. I'm a southern raised boy since age of 4 years I spent about ten or fifteen minutes looking around in wonder at the icicles and heaps of snow. Sure I was cold, but no instant heart attack or loss of memory or equilibrium. I took many longer walks more properly dressed while my sister and brother-in-law were at work.
Loss of oxygen an issue? Sometime when you are sitting in view of a clock or watch with a second hand try this experiment. Check the position of the second hand and just stop breathing and hold what you got for as long as you can. Whether it is at a point where you just took in a large breath or where you just let out most or all of your breath before inhaling again and watch the time go by. Try waling around and / or doing something while you do this experiment. You will be surprised at how much you can do and how long you can go without taking n another breath.
It wasn't the cold that doomed the golfer and his travelling companions. It was lack of oxygen. When deprived of oxygen you just fall asleep. There is no sudden or sharp pain involved. You get drowsy and fall asleep. The commercial plane that took off with the instruments on the wrong setting who ignored the warning lights, chimes and etc. fell asleep, too. There was no loud bang or explosion. They ignored and / or misinterpreted the alam system until the were too oxygen deprived to think straight, got more and more drowsey and finally fell asleep.