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Plane Answers: Can passengers survive an explosive depressurization?
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!Josh asks:
We've all heard the standard spiel about oxygen masks and flotation devices. Likewise, we've all seen the cartoonish drawings of proper positioning of one's body in the event of an emergency (the "brace for impact" pose), etc... Two things I've heard people say are that:
a) the air temperature outside the cabin at most cruising altitudes on jet engine planes is sufficient to instantly freeze all bodies on board solid within literally seconds;
b) the change in air pressure is likely to be so disruptive to one's ear drum, putting on oxygen masks and taking the fetal position is difficult to impossible due to disorientation.
As to the first one, I've flown many a Delta flight where on screen displays indicate the temperature outside the cabin to be extremely low (far far below zero). Likewise, I recall reading an article about a jet crash in Greece (I think) where the plane was supposedly depressurized in flight and crashed into a mountain. The report indicated that rescue workers arrived in a relatively short time, but everybody on board was in fact frozen solid. The report indicated this happened in the air, and w/in seconds of depressurization, not on the ground. So there seems to be some credence to this one.
As for the second one, about air pressure and disorientation, I'm of the understanding that though the need arises very rarely, passengers have been able to take action to put on oxygen masks when necessary. Of course, I don't know how many times (if ever) that need has arisen when at any significant altitude.
So are these frequent flyer myths, exaggerations, based in some fact or accurate descriptions of the reality of jet travel?
The most common cause of depressurization on an airplane is from the loss of both of the air conditioning and pressurization "packs." There are two of these units that pressurize the cabin on all airliners and one of them is allowed to be inoperative, although it's not a common occurrence. Should the airplane lose the remaining pack, the cabin altitude, which normally allows for a comfortable 6,000 feet when the airplane is flying above FL 300 (30,000 feet), will slowly climb to the same altitude the airplane is flying.
So it's imperative that the pilots descend below 14,000 feet, the altitude that the masks will deploy, as soon as possible and to level off at 10,000 feet or lower.
This situation recently happened to my brother. He was able to descend to a lower altitude and the cabin altitude never exceeded 10,000 feet, so no passenger masks dropped from the ceiling.
In the case of an explosive depressurization, like that of Aloha flight 243, these masks will be extremely important. Those passengers as well as the people aboard a United 747 that lost a cargo door, were able to don the masks and remain warm enough to survive until the airplane reached a lower altitude. Both those cases were near Hawaii, however. So it could be a rather cold descent anywhere else. But the initial explosive depressurization didn't result in so much disorientation that they couldn't put their masks on.

And you're right, it's common to see minus 40 to minus 60 degrees Fahrenheit (-40 to -50 Celsius) when at altitude. At temperatures of minus 40 (C or F), skin freezes almost instantly, although the temperature warms quickly as you descend.
Finally, the Greek Helios 737 flight that you mention was never pressurized after takeoff, because of a mistake that was especially tragic. The pilots inadvertently departed without noticing the pressurization controller was in the manual position. They missed the ear-popping cues, the temperature cues, the warning lights on the overhead, and they misdiagnosed a cabin altitude warning horn for the horn that notifies pilots that the airplane is unsafe for takeoff because of incorrectly configured flaps, trim or speedbrakes. Interestingly, the sound of the horn is identical in both situations.
On a side-note, I've talked to the Boeing engineers who worked on an early version of a 'text message' system called CPDLC that air traffic controllers can use to provide instructions to pilots. I asked these engineers what sound they would be choosing to alert the pilots of an incoming message.
As I suspected, they explained that they would be using the same sound that flight attendants use to call the pilots. And that chime is used for FMC wind and route uplink notifications among other things. They claimed that studies have shown that people have difficulty differentiating between more than five types of sounds.
The Helios pilots failed to understand this warning horn and subsequently failed to don their masks, resulting in the masks dropping in the back of the airplane while the pilots were trying to simply silence the warning horn.
Oxygen is vital for a pilot to be able to troubleshoot an abnormal situation as this amazing recording between a cargo flight that lost pressurization and air traffic control demonstrates. Note the altitude warning horn in the background of this ATC tape with the flight:
On a similar, but far less morbid topic, Steve asks:
What is the average temperature inside commercial airliners? I was told 82 degrees F by a pilot who was seated next to me in first class. This is to put everyone to sleep. At 35,000 ft. the temperature outside is -60 F, correct?
Yes, it's often nearly that cold, as I mentioned above. According to our indications on the Boeing, we shoot for around 70 to 72 degrees. Unfortunately, it's very difficult for that indicator to be perfectly calibrated. And when the flight is nearly full, pumping 70 degree air into the cabin can be too warm. Fewer passengers on board means we need to increase the selected temperature.
But by far the biggest driver of the temperature is the flight attendant. Typically they like it a bit cooler while they're working hard to get a meal service accomplished, and afterwards, when they're not as active, they'll need it to be warmer. So on your next flight, see if the first part of the flight, during the meal service, is cooler than the latter part.
If it were up to the pilots, the controls for the cabin temperature would be in the back, with the flight attendants. The 777 has some control over the temperature provided to the flight attendants, resulting in far fewer calls to the pilots asking for warmer or cooler temperatures.
And contrary to the belief by some cynics out there, we're definitely NOT keeping the cabin cooler to sell more blankets.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
cjclark15 Apr 12th 2010 9:32PM
The flash freezing isn't a factor due to the Brunelli affect. The real problem with an explosive decompression at FL350 is the time of useful conciousness. The TUC at altitude is about 30 seconds on average, but you add a rapid decompression and your TUC will be 3-5 seconds. You better hope that those oxygen masks come down by then. Oh, if you think you can hold your breath, forget it. Once the decompression happens, it not only sucks the air out of the cabin, it takes all the air from you lungs too.
Fred Apr 17th 2010 10:26PM
You are right about the air getting sucked out of your lungs. I went thru altitude chamber training when i was in the Air Force for an F-15 fighter ride i was going on. The last part of the training was "Rapid Decompression" IT WAS RAPID. it felt like someone hit me in the chest. We had to stand up and put on our oxygen masks and " Breathe Normal" kind of hard when the oxygen mask is forcing air into your lungs.. you actually have to breath backwards. I dont know if thats is how it works on a comercial jet but thats how it works in a fighter.
BTDT Apr 17th 2010 10:41PM
How insane do you have to be to get on a commercial airliner these days?
Ariane Apr 18th 2010 1:08AM
BTDT how paranoid do you have to be not to. I have flown well over 20 times (and I am only 17) and yet have never once had a problem with a flight. These stories that you hear about planes crashing and other problems make people like you too paranoid to fly yet the chances of them happening are less than 1 in a million. So please get out of your protective bullet proof plastic bubble, take your children off the leash and go live your life
jrg Apr 18th 2010 11:41AM
CJ.... I'm tagging to you since there are a lot of misguided comments and your's has some validity. I have done a number of high altitude bail-outs, both HA/HO and HA/LO....all in the range of 25,000 to 32,000 ALF...If you have a constant supply of pressurized O2 on the way to altitude (25K +/-), you can exit or rapidly descend with little effect, with out O2. This does not apply to crew members performing flight duties...that's why they have a separate survival system. Above (25k +) you need Bail-out O2 to function if performing flight duties...but as noted you will start breathing as you decent, but again the crew is on a different system.
With regard to temp, at the lower alt. (25k), you would have to remain exposed at alt. for a sustained period of time and the sudden decompression, although scary could not be catastrophic. At 30k++ there's a whole new scenario....things tend to fly about... That's why the Air Force had to buy pressurized toilet seats and coffee pots for the big boys out of Stewart etc., not that the media ever bothered to investigate..but again passengers aren't going to explode or get drug out of the plane......unless like in the movies the plane explodes....but if that happens go back to the 50's idea of nuclear blast protection.... if you don't believe this check the portals on your next flight...you'll see little "equalization" holes in the outer surface and feel air going out of the cabin.....also for sh-ts and giggles look at the wing rivets shake, rattle and roll
your more likely to die from the big guy next to you rolling over on you during the flight.......
Susan Mintzer Apr 12th 2010 10:24PM
This type of information is what fuels me and my brain.
Great questions and great answers.
Thoughtful, backed with science.
Have you read Flying Blind, Flying Safe by Mary S?
(It was my air travel bible back in the day)
Would like to ask a few questions. Is class in session?
B Woern Apr 13th 2010 12:53AM
Instantly freezing skin at -40 F is an exageration. I attended college in Fairbanks, AK. We saw -40 for about a week every winter I was there. Yes, it was cold, but lots of people crossed from one building to another wearing no more than a standard shirt and jeans. I used to do it in a T-shirt and socks (and jeans). The cold doesn't soak in that quickly - and my socks stayed dry since the time it takes to take one step is too quick for the snow to melt. Some warm-weather folks will think this is impossible -- all I can say is this is what I saw and did.
minky Apr 17th 2010 8:52PM
I completely agree. I live in Bismarck, ND and many winters can get that cold, if not colder and that is without windchill. Skin will freeze in these temps in about 5min maybe less, not seconds.
Karen Apr 19th 2010 7:28PM
maybe it 's the altitude that also affects it and makes it freeze instantly!
K Apr 18th 2010 5:36AM
Yeah. Incorrect. Just google "300 Club." At the South Pole the winterovers do a fun run naked from the Station, around the Pole, and back again in -100F. Nobody dies.
lizzie Apr 12th 2010 10:17PM
Also the flight attendants want it warmer in the cabin after dinner so that all the passengers will fall asleep and not need anything. If we're sleeping we don't bother them.
cjclark15 Apr 12th 2010 10:51PM
The disorientation due to the effects of pressure change on the ears is not likely. Unless your eustacian tubes are clogged and the inner ear fills with fluid in 1 sec after the ear drums rupture, then maybe. The real cause of disorientation is most likely hypoxia and the fact that an explosive decompression will take what ever air is available inside your lungs away causing the rapid onset of hypoxia symptoms - one of which is disorientation.
Leon Apr 17th 2010 11:50PM
Just plain shock involved. Try pushing the envelope with a sports motorcycle. Just don't raise your head, unless you feel you are the Macho Man or, Macho Woman. If you feel that way, do not try it. The wind can produce injury, like wham up side your head. Now think straight after that effect. I think drunk people would have a better chance, not with the Motorcycle, the event of stuff going wrong at 33 thousand feet. They have already been whammed upside the head, for " for billing and marketing purposes."
paco Apr 12th 2010 11:30PM
They are just to comfort you, if they drop down during your flight, you are doomed.
lita Apr 17th 2010 9:15PM
Tell that to all of those who survived the Aloha Airlines flight where, essentially, the top half of the aircraft came off. How about keeping quiet when you clearly do not know what you're talking about?
richard Apr 18th 2010 12:04AM
you know, some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope. i mean aloha didn't even charge extra for the convertable top and some still weren't happy, go figure!
NurseRiverBoat Apr 13th 2010 12:12AM
Well, if your cabin is ruptured and the fuselage breaks apart, the oxygen masks will drop down, but by then, all the passengers will be knocked unconscious or be dead from sudden asphixiation or hypoxemia.
But for the lucky person who is wearing layers of warm clothes, warm pants, shoes and socks - there is hope.
That is the lone survivor. The one who dressed up and fastened her seatbelt, nice and firmly.
An ocean crash landing is a hopeful thing.
Don't worry about it. Keep the seatbelt on, always bring a change of clothes in your carry-on bag and you may get lucky and land without incident.
If you are unllucky and have to crash land someplace, tree branches are also cushioning to your fall out of the sky.
Keep your Faith in God with you at all times. When it's your time it's your time, but as long as He has plans that involve your participation on Earth, you will survive the crash.
Mara Apr 17th 2010 11:39PM
I liked your last two lines. That was good advice/truth
KatieCouric'sNemesis Apr 18th 2010 2:35AM
Uh...if god is so concerned about my fulfilling his/her plans, perhaps s/he would do well to keep the plane from crashing in the first place.
After all, for any god who can manipulate the elements to sway a pharoah's mind, keeping an airliner from crashing ought to be a lead pipe cinch.
starman5 Apr 13th 2010 12:51AM
Temperature is not an issue. This freezing thing is urban legend. As other commentors have said, it's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness). You'll be unconscious without Oxygen very soon. So put the O2 mask on when it drops. The pilots will be diving for 10,000 ft. If you pass out due to lack of O2, you'll likely wake up again later. Just a little free sleep, that's all. It's like a few free beers. The O2 generators for the passenger masks last about 10 minutes, and are only there to get you down to a safe altitude. The chemical O2 generators are about the size of a tennis ball and make a touch of smoke when they operate. (Don't worry, the pilots have a "REAL" O2 bottle that will last for hours, it's the size of a golf bag).
When that Hawaiin 737 skin peeled off and flew with passengers directly exposed to 400 mph sub-freezing air...no one froze. I challenge anyone to find a credible instance of a passenger freezing to death in the last 50 years. It's myth. Oxygen is important, you can do something about that by grabbing the mask and using it. Temperature is not important. You can't do anything about it anyway.
If you are thrown into -60 C atmosphere at 40,000 ft, you've already been dead for a moment or two from the explosion. Minute fragments of your body might freeze in the fall to earth, but don't worry about it. It won't be painful by that point, and your freeze-dried morsels will be recycled in the ocean environment. Al Gore would be proud of you.
Now, as for cabin temp controls, FA's in their 50's often ask for cooler temperatures than younger FAs. Could it be menopause? Just Sayin...I think most female FAs would agree with that statement...I know my wife would.