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Plane Answers: Follow up questions to 'So you want to be a pilot.'
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!We've received a lot of follow up questions to the Plane Answers post from last week, "So you want to be a pilot. Here's how." The following questions were chosen from those who wrote in asking about a career change:
Rick asks:
I read your article last week about pilot training and careers "So you want to be a pilot?" on Gadling. I am 55 years old. Is it too late for some one my age to consider a career in commercial aviation? I am in excellent health and train daily (running, swimming and cycling).
Hi Rick,
The mandatory retirement age is 65 for airlines, but there isn't a retirement age for corporate flying, instructing or 'Part 135' charters.
If an airline hired you at 59 or 60, you may find it impossible to recoup your investment in the years of flight training you'd have to accomplish.
But there's usually pretty good demand for flight instructors who are willing to stay with a company, as opposed to those who are building time with their sights set on the first charter or airline job that comes along. If you really enjoy flying, and you think you might be a good teacher, that could be your best bet. And you can often continue working somewhere else while you instruct on the weekends, for example, especially since the pay for instructors is so low, you'll likely need a second job anyway.
And who knows, you may find some charter work to do after a few years of instructing.
There was a time when major airlines wouldn't hire anyone who wasn't young enough to eventually make it to the left seat. At my airline, the unwritten age limit in 1998 was 47. The retirement age back then was 60. I would imagine airlines may start using 50 as a cutoff. Since most airlines aren't hiring pilots right now, it's hard to know for sure.
Good luck. And even if you decide not to fly commercially, give some thought to getting a private pilot license. You'll likely enjoy the process.
And Carl asks a similar question:
In your article you stated that the mandatory retirement age was 65. Does that mean that you can't fly commercially after 65 or just for the major airlines. I'm looking at early retirement at 55 and would like to do charters to hunting and fishing sites and small to medium groups to special destinations.
Flying charters to fishing or hunting locations often involves flying a floatplane for a guide service. There is no retirement age for those operators, but the experience requirements are steep. Insurance companies dictate the minimum flight time for these pilots, and most require experience in that particular location.
Having grown up in Alaska, I can tell you that there are thousands of high-time pilots who are thinking along the same lines as you. If you do decide to pursue this goal, you might be better off learning to fly from one of the flight schools in the area where you're hoping to work, so your experience can be considered local. And you may end up getting to know some of the operators there as well which will help in the networking department.
You can find a list of flight schools in your area here.
Jeromy asks:
Hi Kent,
I'm approaching 30 and I've been considering a career change lately due to my lack of desire to sit behind a desk for the rest of my life. I was a wildland firefighter for several seasons while working my way through engineering school. I loved the job and I remember looking up at the lead plane pilots flying low guiding the heavy tankers, showing them where to drop the fire retardant. I always thought that would be a thrilling position, dangerous though it may be. Now I feel like I'm at a crossroads, and my dream of living that adventure could lie down one of those roads.
The requirements seem to be around a minimum of 1300 hrs to get your foot in the door. How would you recommend achieving this dream expediently, while trying to feed a family at the same time?
Hi Jeromy,
I agree. Flying in a firefighting support role has been a dream of mine since I first saw the movie "Always."
Your first step is to get your Private Pilot License as I explained last week. Since you have a family and a job, I would recommend going the Part 61 route, since it's usually easier to set your own pace, and the hourly rates are often less expensive. Hopefully you can finish up your commercial, multi-engine and instrument ratings with them (you'll need all three) and move along to a part time instructing job to build time.

While you're doing that, try to get in touch with some of the pilots who do the job. Networking is the best way to land any flying job, and you may discover just what requirements you'll need. I have to think that your firefighting experience might appeal to an employer, though.
There were so many good comments from last week's column, I'm hopeful someone who flies tankers will respond here with some more detailed advice for you.
Do you have a question about something related to the pointy end of an airplane? Ask Kent and maybe he'll use it for the next Plane Answer's Plane Answers. Check out his other blog, Cockpit Chronicles and travel along with him at work. Twitter @veryjr
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Don Smith Jan 30th 2010 3:44PM
I am an airline pilot and have dedicated my life to this industry. My advise is to go on flightinfo.com or airlinepilotcentral.com to gain some insight of the aviation lifestyle.
In my opinion, I would not advise anyone to enter in this career.
The airline industry will not recover from this economic down turn for the next 20 years. Also, airline management does not care about their employees. Salary is very low across the board in the airline world and many are have a difficult time supporting their families.
Good luck, but sorry these are the facts.
Peter Hines Jan 30th 2010 4:34PM
HI THERE, YOU SAID MANY PILOTS HAVE PROBLEMS SUPPORTING THEIR FAMILY, WELL WHAT IF YOU ARE WORKING FOR A MAJOR AIRLINE SUCH AS DELTA, AA , UNITED , NWA , CONTINENTAL ETC. DON'T THESE PILOTS MAKE AT LEAST $250,000 AS A CAPTAIN AND $125,OOO AS A FIRST OFFICER?
Don Smith Jan 31st 2010 1:58AM
Pete,
Those salaries are from the past and many flight schools and other aviation businesses continue to pump those salary rates through unknowing future pilot ears.
Maybe 5% of the major airline pilots will make that much money. Trust me I am not trying to deceive you. Many pilots will be furlough or laid off several times in their careers or they will continue to work under an unstable employment environment.
Airline Management only wish is to continue to mislead the public into believing that a pilot career is very lucrative.
Just check out the websites I mentioned to understand the instability in the career path you are probably considering.
This career would be similar to a "Las Vegas Professional Gambler".
Rick Jan 31st 2010 10:44AM
I am a retired military pilot and have been flying for a major cargo carrier for 8 years now and am 50 years old. The salaries at our airline are still pretty good, with wide body captains making $220-250K and first officers around $135-165K. There are many pilots who are negative about the industry, but since I have worked in the military for 21 years and did some time as a civilian for a major defense contractor as a contracts administrator, I maintain it is the "best part-time job I have ever had". Our schedules permit about 15 days per month off and it is possible to supplement your income by other means-for a few years I did real-estate appraisal work, and others are realtors, lawyers, doctors, small business owners, etc.
Jeremy Jan 31st 2010 4:34PM
Hi everybody,
For the person inquiring about a career in Tankers, ever since 2002 most of your tanker planes are military C-130's, This came from the two crashes in 2002. After those two crashes, the Forest Service Grounded all private heavy tankers. though some using the 'newer' P-3 Orion as a tanker are back flying.
I use the term newer on the P-3 compared to the old World War Two and Korean War vintage aircraft that they used prior to 2002.
2002 for those out there, was the year that saw two heavy tankers: A C-130 in June that crashed in CA, and a PB4Y-2 in July that crashed in CO. both owned by one of the largest private tanker firms.
The fall out saw that company {Hawkins And Power} go bankrupt, as well as several others, there are still companies that fly tankers, such as Evergreen Aviation, and the Tanker Ten group that flies a DC-10 as a air tanker, if you live in California contact the California Department of Forestry as they have their own fleet of tankers and lead planes.
If you were to go into Aerial Fire Fighting, I would recommend going into helicopters, as those companies that operate solely helicopters were not effected.
If you are going into flying lead plane, I believe those pilots are state or Forest Service or BLM employees check with your local state forestry.
You should also inquire about flying SEAT {Single Engine Air Tanker} planes, these are modified Crop Dusters that many states have contracts on and you don't neccesarily need a multi engine rating to fly one of these planes, just a commerical and Instrument ratings. These planes are 9 times out of 10 among the first planes on a fire.
But which ever way you choose, remember this, doing aerial fire fighting is a boom or bust portion of flying. if you have a wet winter, chances are it's gonna be a dull summer. if it's a dry winter you will be extremely busy come summer time.
The minimum you will need is 1500 hours {This covers both tanker pilots to helicopter, to air attack pilots}
For more information I recommend going to the Air Tanker Pilots Association web site at www.airtanker.org
Rick S Feb 1st 2010 8:23PM
I retired from a major airline after 18 years. When I retired I had been flying captain for 11 years. My max salary was about $225K a year. After pay cuts I was making about $130K a year. My retirement is about $30K a year. I was one of the lucky ones. A lot of guys didn't do nearly that well. Just to get hired at a major takes years of experience gotten at more like 30-40k a year. If you have the kind of money it takes to get pilot ratings go to law school or med school.
Jeromy Feb 1st 2010 9:18PM
Thanks Kent and Jeremy for the information. I'm looking forward to the adventure!
Don Feb 12th 2010 8:55PM
If you are looking for adventure...be careful with what you will find.
Especially, when you are taking your wife and kids on this path.
I wish them all the luck in the world.
For their sake.
Assen Feb 14th 2010 7:42PM
Hi guys, I figured I can share my experience in getting my ratings in Europe and the job outlook in Central and Eastern Europe. The pay levels here vary from Euro 25K for a junior FO to 70K for the experienced captains.
At the moment some airlines in the region are actually hiring junior FO's with the minimum 200 hours for an A320. The pay is really low since the Type rating is deducted from the salary for the first 20 months, but there aren't many other ways a pilot with 200 hours can get inside an A320.
The hot name in this part of the world is Wizz Air. They are expanding and hiring most of the pilots now. The annual hours flown there are at the legal maximum and the experience builds up at the best possible rate.
I am 30 now and have bought a share in an aircraft to build the necessary hours. Before I decided to go for a career I have designed and built a small aircraft and now have two so I am certain I will love the job despite the many uncertainties.
So far I have paid around Euro 12K and have a total of 110 hours, that includes the share in the Czech Vivat L-13. It will take another 20K to get the IR and the ME ratings.
I am continuing with private hour building and hopefully will be ready for the Commercial (CPL) check ride by the end of the summer.
Mr Wien, you're doing a great job of sharing the emotion of flight and I greatly appreciate the time you put into this. Thank you.