4 kts with flaps 10 degrees....not much at all, however I would think that would be a transitional number, Flaps were at 5 PIC called for flaps 15, so at the flaps 10 position, the flaps were in motion to 15. What would activate the shaker with flaps 15 on that plane?

As for the pay.......When I first started to persue my PPl, I talked to alot of people about going to the majors and they all said the same thing. It takes a large fortune to make a small fortune. If I just got dobne spending upwards of 40K - 60 K for my ATP onr my own, or at a school like Embry Riddle how the hell can anyone live on that kind of money? Is it done for a reason? Like to make sure the pilot really really wants it? or is it just more money in the executives bonus?

In any event, thanks for your take on this. I was thinking along the same lines as you...chatter was minimal, and the tasks were completed. Briefing was done - the failed check rides meant little to me, because he would have HAD to pass it just like everyone else.....I wonder why they didn't issue a PIREP at that time they saw the ice....If I am flying in behind them, that might be information I'd like to know about. Personally if you ask me, Colgan has some blood on their hands, 51 peoples worth. Thanks Kent.

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