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Plane Answers: "Chit-chat" did NOT doom Colgan flight 3407
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!Allow me to invoke some commentary in lieu of today's usual Plane Answers post.
So much has been written about the Colgan Dash 8 accident in Buffalo, NY. As I've written before in a "Pilots are either Heroes or Villains" post, I am a reluctant commenter during accident investigations. But the NTSB has released a tremendous amount of information already and I feel the need to shed some light on what the Colgan pilots may have been dealing with before the tragic accident.
We've heard that the captain reacted incorrectly by pulling up instead of pushing forward, that he didn't have much experience in the Dash 8 Q400, that he and the first officer were discussing non-essential topics during the sterile period and that the captain had flunked a number of checkrides while learning to fly. We also heard about their long commute before work and the lack of sleep each pilot had before the trip.
But how much did these facts play a part in the accident? We'll never know exactly what each pilot was thinking, but when you combine the transcripts with the NTSB recreation, a picture emerges that's a little more complicated than what's being reported.
According to the transcripts, the flight from Newark was completely normal until the start of the approach. Checklists were accomplished, altimeters were set, approach briefings were done. There was a fair amount of conversation, but this was mainly while above 10,000 feet. There may have been discussions with their company about where the aircraft would park after landing, but it's hard for me to determine if this was before or after they flew below 10,000 feet.
The press latched on to the 'chit-chat' these pilots were having before the accident. The cockpit voice recorder was installed years ago as a safety device, but it's sadly being used to satisfy the morbid curiosity of the public. Do we really need to hear the conversations that took place on the ground in Newark before this flight?
Much of that talking while approaching Buffalo revolved around icing and their prior experience in ice. In the last four minutes before the captain asked for the gear to be put down, there was only a single, three-sentence statement made by the captain in response to the co-pilot's concern with her lack of icing experience.
The Approach
After that, nothing was said for the next two minutes, until the chain of events that would cause this accident would begin.
"Gear down." The captain called.
The co-pilot responded by lowering the gear and pushing two knobs called condition levers forward. Just two seconds later, the approach controller told her to contact the tower. The co-pilot immediately looked down to change to the tower frequency, while acknowledging the controller. After she had spun some dials to enter the tower frequency in the VHF control panel, she looked at the gear handle to call out that it had extended completely-that it was now down and locked.
Two seconds later, the captain called for the flaps to be lowered to 15 degrees. Before even having a chance to look up and check on the flight's progress she needed to move the flap handle from 5 to 15 degrees.
In the 22 seconds that it took for the co-pilot to put the gear down, push the condition levers forward, change the frequency, verify the landing gear position and select flaps 15, the airplane had slowed from 180 knots to 133 knots and the stall warning system activated.
She was relying on the captain to fly the airplane or, in this case, monitor the autopilot, while she performed her non-flying pilot duties. Every pilot has been in this situation before, where rapid-fire actions can take the non-flying pilot's attention away. But usually being out of the loop for twenty seconds isn't enough to cause a problem. Up to this point, she had done everything right.
Now let's think about what the captain may have been dealing with:
He was in level flight at 2,300 feet with the flaps set to five degrees. He may have been tired, and so he likely felt like letting the autopilot take care of intercepting the final approach course. The autopilot was holding the altitude and heading and since the Dash 8 Q400 doesn't have any autothrottles, he was manually setting the power to the proper setting to maintain a speed of about 180 knots.
At one point, the speed picked up to 186 knots. He pulled the power back slightly to let it settle at 180 knots which took about 6 seconds.
A few seconds later he called for the gear to come down. The co-pilot brought the gear down and pushed the condition levers forward. The condition levers essentially control the pitch of the propellors. Pushing them forward drives the prop blades to a finer pitch, resulting in a higher prop RPM, but also more drag. These levers are procedurally moved forward so maximum thrust is available in the case of a missed approach. So putting the gear down and the condition levers are two actions that will result in a significant amount of drag.
But somehow, the captain was distracted. He had just pulled the power back prior to calling for the gear to come down. He didn't touch the throttles for the next 27 seconds, which means there was no way he had glanced at his airspeed for that half-minute. He could have been checking to see if there was any more ice accumulating or glancing at his approach plate.
The point is, he had become distracted and the co-pilot was out of the loop while she accomplished her required duties. The motion of the gear coming down and the condition levers coming forward meant that there was little time to react with the throttles.
This wasn't the first time a pilot failed to notice a loss of airspeed while on approach. In fact, less than two weeks later another accident occurred while flying an approach on autopilot. Turkish flight 1951 which crashed short of the runway in Amsterdam was equipped with an autothrottle system, but it had failed at 1950 feet, when it reduced the power to idle slowly without the crew noticing. In an age when the flying public seeks comfort by thinking airplanes just land themselves, it appears that a reliance on automation may have led to two separate accidents in the month of February alone. Autopilot use is generally encouraged by many airlines as a way to reduce a pilot's workload.
But I'm certain that if the autopilot had been off in either accident, the pilots would have found it difficult to maintain altitude as the airplane slowed, which would have made it immediately obvious that more power was needed.
In both of these cases the autopilot masked this, making it easier to become distracted.
The Stall
When the stick shaker activated on Colgan flight 3407, the autopilot turned off automatically. Somehow the captain let the nose of the airplane reach nearly 30 degrees, and even though he correctly responded with full power, it wasn't going to prevent the continued loss of airspeed as long as he had the nose pointed up between 20 and 30 degrees.
The co-pilot had been thinking about ice for the last half of the trip because of the build-up she had seen earlier, and this might have been going through her mind as she heard the stick shaker activate at the exact moment she was moving the flap handle from 5 degrees to 15. She very well may have associated her flap selection with the stick shaker, and if a movement in the flight controls results in something going wrong, I could see most pilots tempted to move the flap handle back where it was before the problem began (in this case, back up).
This is exactly what she did, which made the recovery much more difficult for the captain, since an extra 20 or 25 knots would be needed to fly at the reduced flap settings. Bringing the flaps up is also a recovery technique in high-wing turboprops that encounter enough ice to stall the tail. So this may be further proof that she was convinced tail-icing was their problem.
The captain may have also thought tail icing was his problem and the reason the nose wanted to drop, completely misreading what the 'stick pusher' was trying to tell him. Reports have indicated that the captain had watched the NASA video on tailplane icing recoveries during training just a few months earlier. This is a video which will definitely leave a lasting impression on any pilot.
Considering the lack of sleep both pilots had, it's easy to come up with a scenario where a misdiagnosis of the problem–deciding between a tailplane stall or traditional stall–led to the accident.
The Aftermath
Non-essential chatter wasn't a factor in this accident since the pilots had been quiet for more than two minutes prior to the airplane slowing. The NTSB will likely look at the training these pilots had received and how fatigue may have played a role in the accident.
It's been verified that a lack of sleep can be equivalent to drinking while on the job, so the NTSB will likely factor this into their final report. And perhaps some attention will be given to the audible alerts pilots receive with specific attention given to how accurately they're interpreted and how long the reaction time is with various warnings.
The airplane manufacturers may determine that a warning prior to the stick shaker is warranted. A "caution, too slow!" warning may be all that's needed.
But first, training and procedures need to be considered to avoid this scenario. A great deal of time is spent during recurrent training on FAA mandated scenarios and emergencies that become repetitive. A program that introduces an even wider range of failures and scenarios in the simulator might be a better way to prepare pilots.
The NTSB will also likely criticize the turnover that has resulted from commuter airlines that see themselves as a stepping stone to the majors. An airline that decides $16,000 a year is an acceptable salary for a pilot might have to rethink their strategy as the flying public recognizes the need to continue to attract the best pilots possible.
This accident could become a catalyst for a number of changes that have been needed for a while. Proper crew rest, adequate training, and upgraded safety warnings could be around the corner. Let's hope so.

Do you have a question about something related to the pointy end of an airplane? Ask Kent and maybe he'll use it for next Monday's Plane Answers. Check out his other blog, Cockpit Chronicles and travel along with him at work.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
seaav8tor May 25th 2009 2:53PM
The military spends over 1 million training a new pilot in the first year alone, after which the pilot goes on to advanced training. Compare that to the commercial side where they openly boast about putting pilots on airline flight decks with the absolute minimum hours and cost.
http://www2.atpflightschool.com/AirlinePlacements
A “Sully” vs a “Marvin”; No comparison at all.
A professional minded person will do his or her best at their job. However "Who" you get, their "Experience" level, their "Training credentials" are not going to be identical for low pay vs high pay. If you want the cheapest pilot money can buy don't expect an ex-military fighter pilot who had over 5 million dollars worth of training and 20+ years experience. This concept should not escape anyone as it applies to almost any vocation. You get what you pay for. You don't get a "Sully" for a "Marvin" price. Marvin will do "his" best for you but when the chips are down if it isn't good enough don't complain. You got the cheap ticket. You got the cheap pilot.
The only surprise about this accident is that it did not happen sooner.
The only question remaining is what flight will be next?
The explanation on why is clearly explained here:
http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/53768-expectations-how-save-5-airline-ticket.html
Diamond Bob May 25th 2009 5:39PM
Mr, Wien states:
"......pilot failed to notice a loss of airspeed while on approach"
I question this statement. According to the CVR transcript , the pilots had the Vref (landing speed) bugged at 118kts:
22:05:29.5 HOT-1
... uh we got the weather. bugs are set eighteen
fourteen flaps fifteen. uh off of twenty three I forget let me look it up.
So 130kts was roughly the speed they intended to be flying, not an "unnoticed loss of airspeed". The pilots mistake was in setting their bugs incorrectly, not inadvertently letting their speed get too slow.
Kent Wien May 25th 2009 8:45PM
That was a confusing part for me in the transcript. I've never heard Vref abbreviated to just the last two digits before, but it might be a Colgan thing. Could they have been referring to the altimeter bugs, perhaps? I looked up the ILS to 23 at Buffalo and didn't find any 18 or 14 in the missed approach altitudes.
Even if the bugs were set at Vref plus any additives, there were no autothrottles, so the airspeed was entirely dependent on what the flying pilot did with the throttles.
Are you suggesting that they mistakenly put in the wrong Vref? That would likely show up in the wreckage, I would think.
I'm open to ideas though. That's a new one that I hadn't heard before. Thanks for bringing it up, Bob.
Kent Wien May 25th 2009 9:11PM
Just found this, Bob:
"During one of the briefings, the NTSB said that the crew had selected 114 kts for Vref15 then described the ref speed increase switch (it was turned on) which added 20 kts and resulted in the airspeed bug setting of 134 kts."
So you're right, they had 114 plus additives to the 134 knot ref speed.
The stick shaker activated at 130 knots with the flaps at 10 degrees. Not a lot of room between ref and the shaker it would seem. I look forward to reading the NTSB's report.
Laura May 26th 2009 3:30PM
The Vref speed, plus corrections for things like wind and wind gust, etc...is the speed you fly with the flaps at their extended for landing position. That speed is generally too low to be safely flown with less than landing flaps selected. You will note that later in the article that it is mentioned that by the F/O bringing the flaps up, it made the recovery harder due to the need for increased speed at the lesser flap setting. Most jets land with flaps set at 25-30 degrees extended. I do not know the specifics for this one.
Kent Wien May 26th 2009 4:46PM
Thanks Laura. They were apparently planning a flaps 15 landing, so the ref speed they chose was based on that.
James May 26th 2009 1:53AM
4 kts with flaps 10 degrees....not much at all, however I would think that would be a transitional number, Flaps were at 5 PIC called for flaps 15, so at the flaps 10 position, the flaps were in motion to 15. What would activate the shaker with flaps 15 on that plane?
As for the pay.......When I first started to persue my PPl, I talked to alot of people about going to the majors and they all said the same thing. It takes a large fortune to make a small fortune. If I just got dobne spending upwards of 40K - 60 K for my ATP onr my own, or at a school like Embry Riddle how the hell can anyone live on that kind of money? Is it done for a reason? Like to make sure the pilot really really wants it? or is it just more money in the executives bonus?
In any event, thanks for your take on this. I was thinking along the same lines as you...chatter was minimal, and the tasks were completed. Briefing was done - the failed check rides meant little to me, because he would have HAD to pass it just like everyone else.....I wonder why they didn't issue a PIREP at that time they saw the ice....If I am flying in behind them, that might be information I'd like to know about. Personally if you ask me, Colgan has some blood on their hands, 51 peoples worth. Thanks Kent.
zF May 26th 2009 10:32AM
Excellent post Kent!
Laura May 26th 2009 5:41PM
Small correction: Vref plus corrections is called Target speed.
masanddjs May 27th 2009 9:04AM
You'd think Gadling would realize they have lost a lot of readers since going to the new format. There used to be tons of replies to stories on here, and now you're lucky if anyone even reads the articles! I've been checking regularly just to see, and sure enough, most of these stories have "0" comments.
Kent Wien May 27th 2009 9:27AM
What would you suggest? Maybe make the comments more obvious at the end of a story? Let us know.
I do like the larger format for video and pictures. That's been a big improvement.
Mark Sherman May 28th 2009 9:23PM
Kent,
Thanks for your take on this accident. Below is a link to another blog by a pilot with some experience in the Q400. His analysis is very similar, and if you have not seen it yet, you will probably find it interesting reading.
http://fl250.blogspot.com/
HB May 28th 2009 9:09PM
The four speeds set up for in the Q400 are the following:
Two are bugged:
Vref - Approach Speed
Vga - Single engine go-around speed
Two must be written down:
Vfri - Flap retraction speed
Vclimb - single engine climb speed
This is all read of a report send via ACARS from Aerodata and often only the last two digits are read out loud because they are all 1--.
Also, with the flaps in transit, the stall speed will obviously be higher. In my experience, even with the icing switch turned on, the stall speed is about 8 knots lower than the approach speed.
Kent Wien May 30th 2009 5:28PM
I should add one item. The stick shaker activated some 30 knots above where it would have for a 'normal' stall in non-icing conditions. Apparently a 'ref speeds' switch was in INCR for the approach, which bumps the stick shaker activation up considerably.
It was the resulting loss of airspeed well AFTER the stick shaker activated that caused the stall.
I detailed above the chain of events that got them to the stick shaker, how they got to the stall can be seen in the seconds after the initial shaker in the NTSB re-creation video.