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Plane Answers: Kent's 3 favorite and 3 most dreaded runways.
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!Deb asks:
Are there any favorite/hated runways by pilots? Pictures and videos of the one in St. Maarten made me wonder.
I'm sure every pilot has a few favorite or hated runways, and I'm no exception. Here are my top and bottom three:
LGA – New York's LaGuardia
With its reputation for delays and cancellations, LGA might not be on the top of most passengers' lists. But it's often the challenging runways that are the most enjoyable for pilots. While LaGuardia's runway 13/31 is short at just 7,003 feet, and it has water on both ends of the runway, the expressway visual takes you over the former Shea stadium and it requires some planning to make the sharp turn and perfectly line up on runway 31. But the most beautiful approach I've ever flown is the 'River Visual' up the Hudson to runway 13. Sailing past Manhattan at night, with the buildings seemingly at eye level, and then making a right turn over Central Park to line up with the runway, is certainly a rush.

SXM – St. Maarten
You mention St. Maarten, and I'd actually have to list it as one of my favorites. Coincidently, it's also 7,003 feet long. But the fun part about St. Maarten are the spectators that gather at the end of the runway to witness the landing airplanes fly over at less than 50 feet above the ground. It's probably the closest spectators can get to a landing aircraft without being on board. And who knows, maybe someone like Matt Hintsa will snap a picture like this of your landing:

SAN – San Diego
Finally, I must admit to a fondness for yet another short runway. San Diego's Lindbergh field offers a scenic arrival, and the approach crosses rather close to a parking garage located near the field. Since there's no ILS, you have to be right on the glidepath during the approach. If you're precise, the radar altimeter in the cockpit will read 190 feet as you pass over the garage, making for the perfect approach to runway 27.
Three worst:
NME – Nightmute, Alaska
Ahh, Nightmute. At 1,600 feet long, you're probably not going to find anything larger than a Twin Otter flying there. Most of the landings I remember in Nightmute were in a strong crosswind during the winter on a packed, snow-covered runway that resembled a frozen lake. Reading the airport notes from this place might give you a better picture.
SURFACE: GRAVEL, IN POOR CONDITION. SEVERAL DEPRESSIONS, DIPS, RUTS & LOOSE GRAVEL. THRESHOLD BOARDS DESTROYED OR OBSCURED IN BRUSH MARKED WITH NON STANDARD CONES. WINDSOCK UNRELIABLE.
I'm sure glad those days are behind me.
CCS – Caracas, Venezuela
Runway 10 at Caracas, Venezuela. It curves down, dropping 88 feet from the beginning of the runway to the end. Even if you do get a smooth touchdown, the runway is so rough that no one would realize it.
MIA – Miami, Florida
And finally, there's Miami's runway 30. Nothing challenging here, it's long, it's wide, it's even smooth. But I never seem to get a nice landing there. So I'm adding it to the list. Take that, runway 3-0!
I'd be curious to hear other pilots' favorite and least favorite runways. Leave a comment and let us know!
Roger asks:
My friends & I live near an approaching flight path, and regularly get into discussions about planes and their landing or approach speeds. Do larger jets have a slower approach speed, or does it just appear that way? Do smaller ones have a higher approach speed, or does it just seem that way, or are they all flying at the same speed?
An answer to this will sort out several arguments.
I think I can help you win the argument either way.
Below are some final approach speeds for various airliners. I figured them based on the maximum landing weight for each aircraft type using the 'normal' flap setting, which may not be the maximum flaps.
From fastest to slowest:
767-300: 142 (163 m.p.h.)
A320: 142 (163 m.p.h)
EMB-145: 139 (160 m.p.h.)
777-200: 138 (159 m.p.h.)
MD-80: 136 (156 m.p.h.)
A300: 135 (155 m.p.h.)
A319: 132 (152 m.p.h.)
757: 132 (152 m.p.h.)
Interestingly, while the 747 is the fastest, it definitely looks like the slowest on approach due to its size. At 232 feet long, it's over 100 feet longer than the stretched 737-800.
While studying auto accidents involving railroad crossings, the NTSB attributed the problems to the Leibowitz hypothesis, which states that the speed of larger objects, like trains, is underestimated by observers owing to a normal deficiency of visual processing.
But if that doesn't help you win your argument, you could use this counter example:
Take the EMB-145, a 50-seat regional jet, and compare it to the surprisingly slow speed of the 757. In this example, the RJ actually does fly faster on approach, and since it's much smaller than the 757, it really looks like it's late for a date.
So I think you're covered either way. Good luck!

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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Grant Martin Nov 24th 2008 1:42PM
I took the expressway visual in on Friday -- it's one of my favorites too. I wish I would have remembered to sit on the left side though.
Jeremy Kressmann Nov 24th 2008 2:35PM
Great insights Kent. It's interesting to hear you consider La Guardia as one of your "favorite" runways. Having landed at LGA hundreds of times now, I always find it to be one of my least favorite in the U.S. With the water on all sides of the runway and what seems like a pretty frequent crosswind, I always find myself gripping my seat in preparation for a bumpy landing.
Thomas Nov 24th 2008 4:43PM
My girlfriends father is a recently retired pilot for a major US airline and he also dreaded Miami. He said everytime he flew there, something would go wrong.
Paula Nov 24th 2008 5:22PM
I love landing at Regan National Airport. View of the City on the left, landing on top of the Potomac River....
Zach Everson Nov 24th 2008 8:32PM
But I've heard the restrictions on airspace over Washington, DC, make Reagan National one of the least favorites of pilots. Like you, however, I enjoy flying into it.
Kilo Mike Nov 24th 2008 8:43PM
Most Favorites:
SNA - The infamous Disney Ride Departure" noise-abatement takeoff requires most outbounds to stand on the brakes, ramp up, and max climb to 1500', then back to 70% over the OC back bay.
SFO - inbound from the south during clear weather over SF's mud flats - you can often see pelicans and other fishing seabirds during the last couple of minutes before touchdown.
Least Favorites:
BOG - The local altitude (thin air) and the not-so long strip make this ... errrr... fun? both in and outbound, especially when there's weather.
NRT - On a clear day you can see forever... or rather, taxi forever. The construction mess there both of terminals and runway mods makes a 30 minute taxi a not uncommon occurrence.
teenagertc Nov 25th 2008 12:38AM
Kent, these are the posts that I love from you! Very interesting, and exclusive insights into the world of flying.
I have to agree with Kilo on flying into SFO (as a passenger, I'm no pilot as Kent can attest to!)...It was really pretty when we went in. You go in through the fog cover, and it looks like you are landing on water, but then the runway comes into view! Awesome!
My other favorite was Dublin International Airport. There are a few golf courses right near the runway, and you come in off the coast, and it is a very beautiful approach!
Great post Kent! I was surprised to see LGA show up in your top favorites, as everyone including myself have had some hassles with LGA. However, I've flown over Shea Stadium, and Central Park before, it is nice!
Paul Nov 25th 2008 1:28AM
My favorite is 17R at DIA Denver international but only because that's the biggest airport I've ever landed at.
My least favorite was a little tiny one my DE picked for the diversion. Once I found it he wanted me to go a landing there. It was 2000 feet long and about 10 feet wider than the Cessna I was flying. He had heard that I had some trouble landing on the center line and wanted to teach me something. ;)
Joe Nov 25th 2008 5:41AM
MIA is my favorite, landing at 27R is homecoming for me. And the entire way in I'm checking to see what's new. As a resident I used to sit on my balcony and take photos of the liveries of the international flights coming in. When my wife and I were still dating I would imagine she was secretly on one of the BA flights and wanted to suprise me.
Russell P Nov 25th 2008 10:33AM
Hey Kent,
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that likes the shorter more challenging airports. One of my favorites in the MD-80 system is Montrose, CO (KMTJ). Being a non-towered/ non-rader airport I remember once canceling IFR at 17,000 ft and flying a "traffic pattern" in the big jet!!! Just looked out the window and turned all that fancy automation off!
I also really like Seattle (KSEA) and Portland (KPDX) but that is because I grew up in that area.
Chicago (KORD) is another great one because the controllers really know how to "push tin"! It's nice working with controllers who know what they are doing.
In small airplanes- any off airport landing is awesome, corn fields with a J-3 cub or Cessna 180 comes to mind, also a small river island on the Columbia River near Kelso, WA (KKLS) and of course a great little strip in Brookline, New Hampshire (NH16)- short with trees all around!
As for least favorites that's hard, as each airport has it fun factor, but I guess Dallas/Ft Worth (KDFW) is somewhere that doesn't get my juices flowing. Also St. Louis (KSTL) because they have to many frequency's for you to use to get out of there, last time it took 6 frequency's just to get to the runway- Ramp to Metering to Clearance to East Ground to West Ground to Tower! Houston (KIAH) has the same issue also.
Russell P
Jim Vocell Nov 25th 2008 10:39AM
SXM St Maarten... My favorite runway of all. People enjoy being close to the aircraft on arrival. I'm told that on airline departures, Boeing 757 aircraft and larger, people stand on the beach hoping the pilot will blow them back into the ocean
FRED WACHSMAN Nov 25th 2008 11:41AM
MOST FUN LANDING.FLOAT PLANE INTO SULFUR MINE AT ENTRANCE TO MISSISSIPPI RIVER.THE FAST MOVING BARGES AND WORK BOATS ADDED TO LANDING TRAFFIC.
Larry Nov 26th 2008 2:43AM
How much are the speeds changed if these aircraft have maybe one quarter total fuel left in the tanks at landing. If I understand it correctly Maximum Landing Weight is very close to Max Gross Weight after some reduction of fuel load during run-up and takeoff and burn-off or dump as necessary. A few hundred thousand pounds of fuel would seem (weak layman's logic) to require more speed not to mention more runway. Is there much difference in the speed with tanks full as opposed to tanks one quarter full?
Kent Wien Nov 26th 2008 2:47AM
Good point Larry.
Adjust most of those numbers down about 20 knots to get a ref speed for a very light aircraft. I know the 737-800 could see a ref of 128 knots when very light as opposed to the 148 knots at max landing weight.
The 757 requires about an extra knot for every 3000 pounds of weight.
Michelle Nov 26th 2008 4:58PM
Landing at SFO is always a favorite since it means I'm home! San Diego is a fav as well. I love seeing the harbor and all the buildings so close. It's been years since I've flown in or out of it, but San Jose is similar, just not as scenic. I also like coming into Las Vegas because of the mountains surrounding the valley. I took a bunch of pictures last time out, the colors are just beautiful.
Jerry Dec 23rd 2008 6:48PM
You keep using the incorrect version of "its".
it's = it is
Use "its" for possessive pronouns.
Kent Wien Jan 14th 2009 11:57PM
Thanks Jerry.
Bu Jan 15th 2009 1:22AM
The "Spelling Police" is everywhere!
Kent thanks for all your information.