Gadling

Shawn, it is obvious you know nothing of the LDS beliefs or you would not be saying they are a hateful cult. Take the time to get educated with sincerity of heart and you will understand their position better. I am not saying you will agree with all their beliefs but you will know better their actions. They only ask for the same freedom of belief and exspresion as the liberal gays are trying to impose on everyone else.

It's completely immoral of you, and your church, to hide your hate agenda behind the "freedom of belief and expression". Would that be the same freedom of expression that would allow someone to demand blacks be segregated? Or the same opinion that women shouldn't vote? If you're just saying that a demographic of society should be denied their rights is that honestly what you call freedom of expression? I know plenty about your beliefs, I just happen to be calling a spade a spade instead of hiding behind a "freedom of expression" catch phrase.

I assume you are not overly active in your "church's" politics because they pour vast resources into denying the rights of other humans. You don't find the detailed documentation of the last 10 years of concentrated effort to abolish gay rights as hate driven?

Here's what I believe: We're all neighbors, and we all have to live together on the same land. So we need government to regulate actions which can impact our neighbors. I can't shoot people or light buildings on fire because it impacts someone other than me. What I have no right to do is demand that my neighbor think what I think, wear what I wear or do what I do. Who some anonymous gay person that you don't know loves has exactly nothing to do with you and it is the most repugnant arrogance to force your beliefs on to them and deny them their freedoms.

In short - if your "religion" endorses hate in any form or for any reason, you are not in a "religion" so much as you are elitist bigots with a charity exemption and some nice architecture.

This is a response to Tom

my friends and i have decided to fly to Whistler this year, even with the still weak US dollar, and with the advent of cheap tickets to Utah. i'm sorry that 40% of the population who do not follow will be affected, but that's just how life works out.

Tom, the yes on 8 campaign has disclosed that at least 40% of it's contributions came from folks affiliated with the Mormon Church. how one can defend an organization with words like "same freedom of belief and exspresion [sic]" is beyond me. can you explain this?

can you honestly say that you've "Take(n) the time to get educated with sincerity of heart and you will understand their position better"? cast not the first stone, ya know?

on the other hand... i know of some Mormons (okay, i personally only know one) but many more did not support the passage of prop 8, unfortunately they were in the minority.