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Galley Gossip: A question about moving from coach to first class when there are open seats
Dear Heather, 
I love your blog, I always wanted to be a flight attendant but was told by many I'm probably too short so now I'm going for an Air Traffic Controller job. But I do have a question for you. On the past 4 flights I was on I was stuck in the middle seat because no window seats were available and I can't sit in the aisle. But I was stuck in between to large passengers that had to keep the arm rest up because they were to large to fit in the seat with it down. There were open seats in 1st class and none in coach on all the flights but on all the flights but one the flight attendant said there's nothing they could do. Was there really nothing they could do or did they just not want to deal with it, and I should add these were not short flights, 2 were Chicago to Phoenix and 1 was Phoenix to Charlotte, and the one the flight attendant did move me to 1st was JFK to Phoenix.
Melissa
Dear Melissa,
I'm so happy to hear you like the blog. Thank you. First I must congratulate you on choosing an amazing career path in the aviation industry. I've always been in awe of those who work in air traffic control. As for being too short to become a flight attendant, height requirements may differ between airlines. The airline I work for requires a flight attendant to be tall enough to reach into the overhead bin and grab the emergency equipment located inside.
Your question brought back memories. I had just started my career as a flight attendant when I found myself walking down the aisle on a flight from New York to Los Angeles, after pushing back from the gate, only to find two passengers standing up and fighting over the same seat in coach.
"You need to take your seats!" I'm sure I had said.
"There are no other seats!" one of them probably said, because it was a full flight and what I didn't know at the time was we were one seat short.
Remember, this happened before we had that computer in the terminal that scans your ticket prior to boarding, which explains why we not only had a seat dupe that day, but why we also had one passenger too many onboard the aircraft. Did I happen to mention we had already left the gate? We were moving on the tarmac! Immediately I called the flight attendant in first class, who spoke to the captain, who told the flight attendant in charge to tell me to move a passenger up to first class and fast! There were open seats available.
"Oh, okay," I remember saying, as I thought to myself, WOW, I'm about to make someones day!

Quickly I walked up the aisle, looking for someone, anyone, dressed nice enough to sit in first class. Don't forget, this was thirteen years ago and people dressed a tad bit better, and ticket prices were more than a tad bit expensive, and we were taxiing out on the tarmac, remember! So I was feeling a tad bit panicky. I stopped at the first passenger I found wearing a business suit. What can I say, he looked the part.
As we made our way to first class, I noticed a few flight attendants and passengers looking at us curiously. "Here's your seat," I told the nice man, who had become even nicer upon finding out he'd be traveling in first class.
After takeoff the phone rang. It was the Captain. He wanted to speak to me. In person. Oh god, I remember thinking, what now?
Slowly I walked to the cockpit. I knocked on the door. Two seconds later I stood looking at the back of a very full head of wavy blond hair, a head of hair I had seen being combed quite thoroughly minutes before departure. The nicely combed hair turned and a thick mustache looked at me.
"Have a seat," the captain said, and he said this very seriously.
I gulped. Plopping down in the jumpseat behind the first officer, I remember thinking, this is not going to be good.
It wasn't.
As the Captain scolded me for moving a coach passenger to first class, instead of moving a business class passenger to first class AND THEN moving a coach passenger to business class, all I could do was stare at the stache as it bounced up and down and spoke to me in a very nasty tone. "You know I should probably report you for this!"
"Really?"
"Really."
What I wanted to say was, Seriously? Because I mean seriously? It was a mistake. Granted, a very big one. Instead I said something like, "Please don't! I didn't know. I'll never do it again!"
Scared and embarrassed, I walked out of the cockpit, clicking the door shut behind me, not joining the other (more senior) flight attendants in the galley for a chat. About me. And my stupidity. And walked back to my post in coach, head hung low. I just...well...it had never occurred to me to do the whole song and dance while we were moving on the tarmac. Remember, I was new. And stupid.
But I never did do stupid again.
Now that I've been flying thirteen years and spend a lot of time working in business class, I know just how precious (and expensive) those first and business class seats are. Our frequent fliers put their names on a standby list days before the flight for those oh so precious (and expensive) seats. That list has a tendency to get very long. Each passengers knows exactly where their name is on that list. Don't believe me? On your next flight ask a passenger sitting in the exit row what number they are on the list. You'll see. And trust me when I tell you that no one is going to bump in front of one of those names on that list, no matter how miserable you are in coach.
Recently I worked a flight that was delayed because one of our frequent fliers got bumped from coach to business ahead of another frequent flier, a frequent flier who was not going to let that happen, who did not let that happen, and who found herself and her bright red power suit in the business class seat half an hour later. Good for her. Hey, it was her seat. Needless to say, bumping from one cabin to another isn't as easy as it sounds.
Even if there are open seats onboard. 
From day one it is drilled into the flight attendants head to respect each cabin, as well as the cabin service. That means if a passenger in business class is traveling with someone in coach, we can not allow the business class passenger to take any business class items to coach. Why? Because the companion paid for coach. Not business. It doesn't matter if the business class passenger is not going to eat the dessert or watch the movie. And yes, it is a big deal to cross cabins. No, I am not being mean. I'm just doing my job. Abusing my power? What power? Okay, please stop arguing with me. And please, whatever you do, do not try to hide it under your shirt and sneak it to the back when I disappear from your sight! Don't do it because I already know you're going to do it. I'm watching you. (Even when I'm not watching you.)
Now to answer Melissa's question (finally!) about getting stuck between two large people in coach. I'm sorry to hear that happened, and not just once, but three times! Unfortunately there really was nothing your flight attendants could do if there were no seats available in coach. Even if there were open seats in first class. They were not being mean. It's not that they didn't care. I'm sure they felt terrible for you. But flight attendants can get into a lot of trouble for moving you to a first class seat without doing it in the proper manner. Unfortunately the proper manner requires a credit cart. Who would know? We have "ghost riders" onboard who watch us to make sure this sort of thing does not happen. As for the time you were moved up to first class, I'd chalk it up to good luck and not count on that happening again. I do not know many flight attendants who would have done such a thing.
Of course it's not fair that you paid for a seat and did not get to sit comfortably in that seat on your flight, so my advice to you would be to write the airline a letter and explain to them what happened. I'm sure they will compensate you somehow, someway. If this happens to you again, make sure to tell the flight attendant while you're still on the ground. That's when something can be done - if at all possible. Or take it a step farther and talk to the agent at the gate. The gate agent is the one with the power to move you, not the flight attendant.
I hope your next flight is a better one.
Heather Poole
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| Every so often | |
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PHOTOS COURTESY OF: (business class) Pat+, (first class passenger) Ammar Abd Rabbo, (Crew) Jfithian
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
Jim Jan 28th 2009 10:29AM
Heather,
I just read your article about getting "bumped" from coach to first class....When I was in the Air Force back in the 60's and 70's we were required to travel in dress uniform. It seemed like everytime I was going somewhere I ended up in first class...Also the captain would let you go to the cockpit and sit in the jump seat for a little while.....Believe me I really appreciated the move....During those days Viet Nam was going on and a person in uniform wasn't a popular figure but the girls working those flights always treated anyone in uniform with respect.....
Thank You
Jim
David Jan 28th 2009 11:04AM
OK, I've got a question for you. When boarding, should a commercial pilot just quitely and politely say to a F/A, "By the way, I'm a pilot, if you need any help." Or should they just keep this info to themselves. I'm not talking about other airline pilots flying.... I'm simply a commercial pilot who has a paid seat, and just wanted someone to know that if there was a need.
Thanks.
Maureen Jan 28th 2009 10:59AM
When flying (alone) to Idaho I had to take a short flight from Denver into Idaho Falls. My seatmate was a 17 year old boy holding a very fussy 3 month old on his lap. His ( the 17 year old's) mother and 2 toddlers were in the 2 seat row behind us and she had 5 more children of varying ages 4 - 14 in the 4 seats in the 2 rows across from our two rows. The FA came over and spoke to "us" as a group assuming that we were all traveling together because there would not be enough oxygen masks to accomodate the 11 passengers traveling in the 8 seats and said that we would need to move. I offered to move right away and was told NO. She wrongly assumed that I was the infant's mother and ditching my own child! She moved the two people in the seats infront of us and said that the oxygen mask problem was solved because we now has those two masks available to us in the event they would be needed. I tried speaking to the flight attendant again a few minutes later and she wouldn't even acknowledge me. I chose to take pity on the teenager who had his newborn little sister dumped on him by his mother, and made suggestions on how to calm the baby. While he was thankful, the mother never thanked me, never apologized, she just snapped at me and asked if I thought I was better than her!! Yes, I think I am a better human being than her- I help others when able, that is what makes anyone "better." I found out at the end of the flight that the mother had not purchased tickets for seats for 3 of her group claimng that 3 were "lap passengers." I have no clue what the price difference is or what the correct designation is but clearly the 3 month old was the only one who could be on someone's lap. The toddlers were around 3-4 years old! She lied to the flight attendant and pointed me out ( already in my seat ahead of them) as being with her group so that I could be the third adult for the third child!! I waited for them to de-plane and left a few minutes later and the FA made a (not rude) comment about catching up with my party because they were getting far ahead of me. That was when I told her I was flying solo to visit a friend in Idaho and that I didn't know the group I had been stuck with. I have never seen someone go so pale so fast. The FA apologized for not moving me and then told me about the other woman's lie. So my point is this : people lie all the time, FA's do not have lie detectors and are not perfect, they can not look into a crystal ball and see your particular circumstances. If you are nice, polite and treat people with respect, those are the "magic tricks" to being helped out as much as possible by the FA's on your flight.
I came across the same FA on a flight with my husband and children, she actually remembered me from 6 months prior. She heard my 5 year old ask me for his "magic drink," my son was very afraid to fly ( he had a lot of ear pain the first time he flew the year before) and we told him that the magic drink (a decongestant for his ears) would help his ears and maybe even make him take a nap. I forgot to buy a small water bottle on the right side of the security area and Sam needed something to drink after the cold medicine to get rid of the taste. What the FA overheard was me telling my son that I couldn't give him a drink until the plane was in the air but I had some gum he could chew after the medicine. She came back to us with a small can of ginger ale and a cup and quietly asked if I needed this.. then she asked me if I had been back to Idaho to see my friend and smiled. She recognized me long before I recognized her!! When we landed she had us wait to de-plane so that both our boys could go meet the pilots and poke their heads in the cockpit. I realize that isn't a rarity and may not be that special to some, but it was special to our sons, it was a first and only for our boys and they still haven't forgotten it 6 years later!
So play nice people and treat the FA's and airport employees with respect and kindness.
Karen Jan 28th 2009 11:22AM
You know what sucks? Is that the people in First and Business Class usually don't pay for the ticket. Their company does, which as we can see, in turn, means the poor people pay it.
I work hard to go on my, yes, one trip a year because that's all I can afford while these people who rip off the poorer folk just keep reaping all the benifits. You would think that if someone has paid 800 bucks for a Coach seat and is unhappy and very uncomfortable on a long trip that the already comfortable business people (who by the way) have no idea, someone from a lower income bracket than them is being offered a nicer seat for a change, that this would be fair no matter. But no, the rich want their asses wiped for them if they get too heavy to reach on their own.
Don Jan 28th 2009 12:40PM
Several years ago, my wife and I were flying from Cleveland, OH, to New Orleans, LA. The flight made a stop in Chicago. We were seated in the last row of the airplane, where the body tapers so there are only two cramped seats on each side, with their backs to the bulkhead, so they did not recline. A FLIGHT ATTENDANT, sympathetic to our being in such cramped quarters, moved us both up to first class seats. That lasted until we got to Chicago where he apologized and told us first class was full and we would have to move back for the longer leg of the flight. Now, I wonder whether he had been told he broke the rules in moving us and had to move us back.
Aron Jan 28th 2009 11:49PM
In 2002 my wife and I were flying home from the caribbean island of St. Kitts for a visit back home. At the time I was a med student on Nevis...the smaller of the two islands in that federation. We were flying coach, and as we stepped onto the plane someone called my name. Looking up, I realized the lead flight attendant was a customer of mine from several years before.
I had been a realtor for a short time, and had helped him find a VERY good buy in a beautiful foreclosed home. As we were sitting down in our seats, he came up to us and quietly asked us to follow him. He led us to 1st class, seated us with a flourish, and brought us a bottle of champagne and several other goodies in a bag.
While the accomodations were nice up there, that isnt why it stands out in my memory. It stands out because I realized this was not the norm, and I felt the warmth and gratitude for the effort I had put out for him years before. I remember looking for a home for him as if I was looking for one for myself.
Lesson to me was that the universe keeps track of how you live your life. Its not a tit-for-tat type thing, but how you treat people comes back to revisit you. As a physician now I always try to remember that.
ANTHONY Jan 29th 2009 1:51AM
IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF ELEMENTARY CRAP !!!
ALL passengers should fly in First Class style, and yes it would cost more to design planes that carry us all this way, due to the lesser availabilty of seats, but certainly it wouldn't cost the OUTRAGEOUS amount that is presently charged for First Class; and the reason is that the slighly higher fares that balance out the loss of the smaller & greater amount of seats would be something that those of us who fly would not only GLADLY pay, but simple math tells us that this would also come out even better on the airlline's balance sheets, being that their planes would ALWAYS fly full !!! (Do the math...)
Anyone want to start a "innovative" airline with me; instead of complaining about all of this cattle boxcar treatment that we've been subjected to for far too long? consultantmail@aol.com
Wolfster Jan 29th 2009 2:47AM
I don't really understand the "keep first/business class stuff out of coach" rule. Okay, so the coach person didn't buy that dessert. But the person in first did. That means it belongs to them, and not the airline anymore. Isn't it theirs to do with what they wish at that point? I mean, as long as they are not disrupting service by say, flinging it around the cabin, how is it the flight attendant's business what they do with it (and honestly, doesn't the flight attendant have more important things to do than be hall monitor of someone's personal food items)? The passenger could take it off the plane with them (as I myself have done with an apple or bag of peanuts on occasion) so why not take it back to coach? This rule seems just childish, nitpicky and spiteful, to punish those who cannot afford first class by punishing also their friends who can.
Marcia Jan 29th 2009 3:10AM
Airline seats are certainly not designed for optimal comfort for people of any size! I am 5'5" and I have trouble arranging my legs comfortably for extended flights lol. I can't imagine how taller people fare! I am of average size and fit quite comfortably in a seat however, I ALWAYS book a window seat to allow me that extra personal space (and place to lean and sleep!) Flight attendants do not make a lot of money and I think too many people think of them as on board waiters which they are not! I appreciate all of you!! I have always thought it would be nice to get an upgrade to first class and used to dress up just in case. Now I dress for comfort (with slip on shoes for security) and appreciate that those who paid very good money for first class made it possible for me to get my ticket cheap!! Always look for a positive!
Adrian Jan 29th 2009 6:44AM
O god, crazy, just plain crazy and disrespectful. I don't understand how a flight attendant can say "I am not here to help with your luggage" What if there is a poor short woman who can't even reach the overhead compartment". Sure, next thing should be "we ran out of food", "only business looking people get an upgrade to first or business" and "why do you keep bothering me asking for a glass of water - don't you see I am a flight attendant on duty- I do not do things like that".
I am sorry, I fly a lot usually business (and I am not the one paying for the seat as MOST people in the business class!) and see how flight attendants egos have grown bigger than the universe in the past several years. Often on American airlines they treat passengers in coach with total disrespect.
And the rule about not crossing the cabins and not taking food that has been paid for in one way or another to be mine from business back to my friend in couch ? please - just grow up for god's sake!!! You're saying you're watching? - watching what exactly? - me taking my own food to couch to my friend? Pathetic, just pathetic. I can believe I hear that!!! You are a flight attendant and you are up there to do more than just a job - like you did years ago assigning a passenger a seat in first or business when your airline overbooked the coach class. It's a pity you lost it somehow and now you are just one of those so called "flight attendants doing their so called job" following the most stupid rules I have ever heard of.
It's corny but I thought we were all here to make the world a better place.
Rich, Not Witch Jan 29th 2009 12:19PM
Jan 28th 2009 @ 11:22AM
Karen said...
You know what sucks? Is that the people in First and Business Class usually don't pay for the ticket. Their company does, which as we can see, in turn, means the poor people pay it.
I work hard to go on my, yes, one trip a year because that's all I can afford while these people who rip off the poorer folk just keep reaping all the benifits. You would think that if someone has paid 800 bucks for a Coach seat and is unhappy and very uncomfortable on a long trip that the already comfortable business people (who by the way) have no idea, someone from a lower income bracket than them is being offered a nicer seat for a change, that this would be fair no matter. But no, the rich want their asses wiped for them if they get too heavy to reach on their own
Dear Karen,
If you elected to only pay $800 for your seat, because you coveted your nights and weekends for the past 20 years to spend time with friends and family and own tvs and real furniture and eat real food while I worked to put myself thru college and never saw a full meal or tv or my home in the light of day for a decade to start a business-
and consequently can now pay for my own $8-12,000 first class seat and donate $$$ to the needy too-
well really now-it wasn't exactly my fine derriere being pampered and wiped all those years was it?
I f you see someone payng for a first class seat-pat them on the back,congratulate them, somewhere along their long road of sacrfices they have put in the time and brain and sweat equity to earn it.
We're joyous for the guy that won the gold in the long distance run in the Olympics-why not the one that won the huge paycheck?
Same dedication, sacrifice and effort, different event.