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Galley Gossip: Groped on the airplane, what to do?
Groped on the airplane, it happens. A lot. Has it happened to you?
A few years ago I found myself standing in the business class galley with a few of my colleagues, when a very large man who worked for a very large company walked into the galley with an empty glass. Now this very large man, the one with the very large job title, had a seat in first class, which should have been my first warning sign. Passengers in first class do not wander back to business class. As I filled his glass with whiskey, I felt a little pinch on my you know what. I jumped, eyes wide, looked at him, looked at the crew, looked back at him, and did not say a word. No one said a word. And then he did it again.
I had forgotten all about that incident until I read a hilarious article (or maybe a not so hilarious article, depending on who you are and how you feel about these kinds of things) about a writer named Jeremy Langmead and his recent experience on a Virgin redeye flight to New York. The story, Get a Grip of Yourself, Madam, Not me, was posted on the Guardian.co.uk website. As the title suggests, Jeremy got manhandled on the airplane by his seatmate, Louise. We'll get to that later, because what happened next is just as interesting.
Now I had just about finished writing this post (or was it that post?) when comments from another post I had recently written, Middle Seat Etiquette, came pouring in. And wouldn't you know it, a Gadling reader named Ben had a very similar experience with his seatmate. Only this wasn't just a young drunk woman named Louise, this was a middle-aged woman with a son the same age as Ben!
Here's Ben's horrible (double whammy) experience of being groped in a middle seat...
This could have happened in any seat, but it so happened to occur one of the few times I found myself in a middle seat. I usually have enough notice before a flight date that I can scrounge up a window or aisle, but this time I just found out a few hours before, so I had to take a middle seat. I was between a middle-aged gentleman at the window, and a similarly aged woman in the aisle. The man stayed quiet for most of the flight, but the woman and I got to chatting. She had a son about my age who had recently dropped out of college and was moving back home. She was concerned about is future, and was asking me about my plans and interests. It turned out we shared many similar tastes and hobbies. All seemed like a normal congenial talk until about 90 min. into the IAD-SFO flight. Her right hand had found its way onto my left thigh. We had never bothered to put down the arm rest between us.

I twitched my leg and her hand quickly moved back to her lap. I chose to ignore her action, hoping it was a simple slip, and wanting to continue the nice company. We continued to talk, but about 15 minutes later her hand had now found its way higher up on my thigh, and she was gently rubbing up and down. At this point I had to put a end to it. I very firmly told her to stop, and I took her hand and removed it from my leg. The armrest went down, and I quickly retreated to my iPod and book. We departed the plane four+ hours later without another word being spoken. I still wonder what she was thinking (perhaps I know too well), but of all things that has crossed the line in passenger etiquette, this one has remained one of the most memorable. I suppose such an event could have taken place in any seat, but something about the confining nature of the middle seat made it all the more acute.
And so I added Ben's story into this post, and just when I thought I was done, another passenger with a similar story shared her experience about being groped on the airplane, only this time it was a woman being groped by a man. Here's what happened to Brenda...
It happened to me on a flight from Auckland, New Zealand to LAX! I was in the upper cabin of the 747, and sitting next to me was a man involved in the New Zealand government. The cabin had been darkened and almost everyone was sleeping. I was asleep and suddenly found his hand on my thigh, slowly moving - I was shocked! I looked over my seat towards the galley and the flight attendant saw me looking towards her and silently mouthing the words "Help me" She came right over and cleared her throat very loudly ( the dude was pretending to be asleep, but he really wasn't) He didn't even look embarrassed at being busted. Don't get me wrong, I love kiwis, but not that much!
Obviously, with all this groping going on, I had to scrap the original groped post and completely start over. I mean who cares if Louise does not know how to behave on an airplane when there are several passengers behaving badly, very very badly, onboard the airplanes. Originally I had accused Jeremy of not reading the warning signs when Louise, his seatmate, proclaimed they'd be spending the night together, as she sat down beside him, and then proceeded to down not one, but two glasses of champagne. But then look what happened Ben and Brenda. There were no warning signs.
Sorry, Jeremy.
In the first post I had written something about Louise probably being, deep down inside, a really nice girl. That is when she's not getting drunk on the airplane and throwing herself at strange men. And then I went on to question why the alarm in Jeremy's head did not go off. I followed that question by posing another question, do men even have the internal alarm signal? That perv alert that so many of my women friends and I have, the one that tells you to move seats NOW? As in GO GO GO! But then I read what happened to Ben and Brenda. There were no perv alerts! Just pervs.
Again, sorry, Jeremy.
Poor Jeremy got poked, and prodded, and had a thigh squeezed, as well as a rib knocked, and eventually began to wonder if he should switch seats. (Gee I wonder?) This was the point in the story where I began to laugh out loud. Again, I'm sorry Jeremy, but I had to laugh! Not because of all that occurred, because it shouldn't have occurred in the first place, but because it occurred before the plane even took off! Unfortunately Jeremy felt a little odd complaining about Louise to the flight attendants. I'll let Jeremy explain...
Despite it being 2008, and the genders edging towards equality, it still somehow feels wrong if a man can't put up with a bit of uninvited, sexually predacious behaviour without seeking help from a not overly butch flight attendant. Fortunately, after one more thwarted attempt to arouse my interest, Louise fell asleep.
Okay, Jeremy, let me give you, and others, a word of advice. It doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman, no one should ever have to go through what you went through with Louise on that flight to New York. I know some of you will find this hard to believe, but the flight attendants are there for you. They are there to help you. Not judge you. And they want to help you, particularly when there's a groper onboard. Trust me, we live for this kind of thing. No one, not a passenger, nor a flight attendant, should put up with being manhandled on a flight. Unless, of course, you like that kind of thing. Hey, you never
know! I've seen some crazy things on the airplane.
If you find yourself on the airplane with an unwanted hand on your thigh....
1. Immediately excuse yourself from the situation. Just get up and go. You don't have to say a word to the groper, no matter how nice they were before they started groping. If you're the kind of person who needs an excuse, just say you're going to the lavatory, or that your headset doesn't work, or that you're thirsty and you need to get a drink, and then get up and start walking.
2. Look for an open seat. Did you find one? Take it! What are you waiting for? Who cares if it's a middle seat. Unless, of course, getting groped is better than sitting in that middle seat. I know, it's a close one.
3. Tell a flight attendant. Tell the flight attendant what exactly is going on. Do not be afraid. This is an airplane, not a bar or a hotel, but a place where people and children travel together in a safe and not so comfortable environment. The flight attendant will gladly help you handle the situation, and make sure this situation does not happen again on a future flight.
| Yes | |
|---|---|
| Are you kidding me! | |
| Maybe. I'm not really sure. | |
| It was mutual | |
| Pleading the fifth | |
Photos courtesy of: (passenger) Davitydave, (empty seat) Simonk
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Betsy Nov 3rd 2008 10:04PM
My job entails travel, so when flying on some long flights overnight, blonde hair and blue eyes, in certain parts of the world, groping happened quite a bit.
I don't think young female flyers get much respect from either the male flyers or the cabin crew when that happens. I get no help from the F/A's.
I purposely started dressing like a slob,and when the guys in the next seat ask the usual, whats your name, where you from, what do you do. (I ignore #3)
I will then ask them the same questions, so I get some info, and then I say, by the way, I am an IRS Field Auditor. They don't talk or touch the rest of the flight.
Women have had to put up with this for years. I don't know why people do this on airplanes.
Brenda SFO Nov 3rd 2008 11:37PM
Well Betsy, I have to say that the Air New Zealand flight attendant handled my whole situation very well. She immediately figured out what was going on, and handled it well, in my opinion.
One of the reasons I asked the above questions is because that sort of thing is a very gray area for the flight crews, that could escalate into a fairly nasty situation at 35,000 feet. I'm a fairly calm person and don't like drama, especially when I'm hurling through the air at 35,000 feet in an aluminum tube, -but another person might become very agitated at finding theirself in a similar situation.
Heather Poole Nov 4th 2008 11:01AM
Betsy
No help from the flight attendants? REALLY? I'm surprised to hear this. Were they US flight attendants? I can't imagine one of my fellow crew members NOT helping. I'm sorry you found yourself in this situation and did not get the help you deserved. I always use headphones (half the time not even turning them on) to avoid unwanted conversations.
Bettina Nov 4th 2008 5:39PM
This happens more on International Flights in certain parts of the world, where the man is king, that is their culture, and the F/A's will not make waves.
However, in the USA also, just read some of the business flyer blogs, quite a few of the US Carriers F/A's attitude is indifferent towards a lot of passenger problems.
What can you do. Arrest the man in mid air. If all seats are full. Have the Captain come back and talk to him. Ask some one else to switch seats.
I have had all that done, and it is very humiliating. After all everyone around you is now listening, and most male passengers feel sorry for THE guy.
It is a lot like on the ground, to prove sexual harrassment in the workplace or or a restaurant, you almost have to be a nun.
There is no way to whisper in coach section to an F/A. Many times they act irritated, "like what do you expect me to do". The flight is full and we are at 38,000 feet.
Once when I was groped continously on a night flight from LAX to IAD, because the guy had a blanket kind of streched across my seat, not hard in coach,
I finally rang for the F/A, and asked to be moved to anywhere. The passengers were all asleep.
He pretended to be asleep, so she says to me, he's asleep.
Coach is full and I am not allowed to put you in First.
After she walked to the rear of the plane, he kept it up,so I got up, walked to the rear galley. as I got there, she was talking to the other F/A, saying, that blonde in 23A is telling a story so she can get moved up to First.
I know you all have had pay cuts, lay offs, mergers, loss of seniority, and a lot of the cabin crews just plain don't care, they do the job by the book, and that is it.
The airlines know this has happened for years to female passengers and I don't think they have any cohesive plan A or plan B
A passenger gets in trouble trying to smoke in the lav, or getting in a rage drunk, but groping you, is the FBI is ever waiting at the gate! No! I rest my case.
Brenda SFO Nov 3rd 2008 10:07PM
Heather, I'm curious. Do they give the flight crews instruction on how to handle those sort of things, or is there some sort of procedure you must follow? I would imagine that a few flight attendants have been "groped" as well. I'm also curious as to how you handle inappropriate comments made by passengers. I watched a drunken buffoon leer and make inappropriate comments to a flight attendant once, but fortunately a gallant male passenger stepped in, told the guy to "get a grip on himself" and the dude sat down and remained quiet for the rest of the flight.
Heather Poole Nov 4th 2008 11:02AM
We do get instruction on how to deal with unruly passengers. Not so sure how well it works. It all depends on the passenger and the situation and...well...pretty much everything going on that day. Once I had a situation with a passenger and when the beverage service was over I was surprised at how many passengers came to the back to offer their help. I even had a passenger tape record the entire conversation, in case I needed it. Which just goes to show, we all need each other.
Carol Nov 4th 2008 8:39PM
While female "gropers" are usually batty or drunk, male gropers usually just feel entitled. I know it's against the law, and wouldn't gather much sympathy from 1/2 of the human race, but I really think that the appropriate reaction to uninvited groping is Bobbitism, ala Lorena a few years back. Since that's not possible, a bit of duct tape might be useful to keep wandering hands in the appropriate place. Alternatively, attractive young females might consider carrying a particular type of "intimate" toy to place in that roving hand under the blanket. The reaction might even be enjoyable to watch.
Frank Nov 5th 2008 3:45PM
I was groped by a male passenger in the 90's working the beverage cart on a full flight. I FELT his hand, which was on the armrest, gently touch my pant leg. He passed his finger up and down my leg. Shocked, I just moved the cart and had to rethink the whole thing. Was I imagining that? I walked past him later in the flight with a garbage bag and looked to see if he was watching me. Yep. He was.
I have another story regarding this topic. I was working a flight with coworkers I know pretty well. The uniform can put you into a certain mood at times, this day I was joking around with one of my co-workers. I came up behind her on the beverage cart and pulled at her pants, near her hips and in a strange voice said, "Stewardess, do you have any vodka's?'' which I needed in first class. She gave them to me. Upon landing and deplaning, I noticed a female talking to the flight attendant and she was handing her a business card. As I approached, she says to me, "You violated policy and procedures and I'm an inflight Supervisor." "Violated what" I asked. "You touched her inappropriately, she says. OMG, I was doing what passengers do to us, daily. YOU, apparently have been in the OFFICE too long to dont know this job anymore. I was upset. I turned to the flight attendant and asked, "Did you think that was for fun or not?" She agreed. The Supervisor left.
Sheesh.
Traytable Nov 6th 2008 12:31AM
I read a great story in a book once... the flight attendant had a male passenger grab her ass... the second time he did it, she grabbed his hand, held it up, looked around the cabin then said "Has anyone lost a hand, I just found this one on my butt!" CLASSIC!!! (Book from www.youforcoffeesir.com)
I've had it happen once or twice, I find that usually a pointed look and saying 'Sorry sir,/madam, your call button isn't down there" works!
Frank Nov 6th 2008 11:37AM
Good one, Traytable.
I like this one.
someone pulls on MY pants.
.....I say, "HEY, you paid for THAT SEAT, NOT MINE".
Mr Flyer Nov 8th 2008 12:23AM
You flight attendants do a great job - thanks for all the hard work you do. Sorry you have to put up with as many bozos as you do, God knows there are many of them taking up space on our planet - especially when they think they are alone or anonymous. A lot of us try to look out for you on the flights - never hesitate to hollar out for help from your passengers if you need it.
Gary Nov 17th 2008 10:06PM
KUDOS MR FLYER.
Thanks FA's!
davitydave Nov 24th 2008 8:04PM
For the record, while that is my picture accompanying this column, I've never been groped on a plane.
Space Mouse Dec 16th 2008 6:27AM
Could you do a link to a larger version of that advert? I'm wondering what the airline was pushing.
Service so good you'll steal them?
Dessert service is included?
We have better inflatable life preservers?
On the groping: I suggest cheerly talking about how many sharp things you can still legally carry through security... Tweezers and such... While casually waving your hands close to the offender's eyes. If you have a shiny ring on you may suddenly get an empty seat next to you.