Plane Answers: A rant in favor of cell phones on airplanes
Welcome to Gadling's feature, Plane Answers, where our resident airline pilot, Kent Wien, answers your questions about everything from takeoff to touchdown and beyond. Have a question of your own? Ask away!Bud vents a little frustration:
There is no data whatsoever that cell phones interfere with airplane navigation systems. In fact, there have been tests with cell phone signals amplified ten fold and without interference. So every time the flight attendent comes on the intercom and tells the cabin to turn off cell phones because "they may interfere" with the airplanes navigation system, I simply stop and think to myself, that if they would lie to me about something that doesn't hurt at all, how much can they be trusted to tell me the truth about something that really might be harmful. I think that if you will lie about a small thing, you will lie about a big one. And since the Captain allows the lie to be broadcast, who can you really trust? Reminds me of the government agent arriving on a doorstep and saying "trust me, I'm here to help you!" Yeah! Right?
I don't agree with your logic, Bud. The most frequently quoted study was done by Carnigie Mellon University in 2003. Their comprehensive findings were summarized as follows:
The key conclusions were that (1) onboard cellular telephone calls were observed in-flight and activity is appreciable; (2) signal activity was observed in the aviation critical frequency bands at field strengths capable of causing interference to onboard avionics; and (3) onboard spectral activity was observed at flight critical phases.
The entire report is fascinating, but if you don't have the time to read it all, here is a short interview with Bill Strauss, the person responsible for the report. He found that 1/3 of the time cell phones were being used illegally inflight, their frequencies actually crossed into the GPS band.
The FAA mandates in FAR 91.21 that carriers restrict the use of non-approved electronics devices. Flight attendants are required to enforce these regulations, and even the inflight announcements restricting cell phone use made by the cabin crew must be signed off by the FAA. So, instead of lying to you, these flight attendants are complying with the regulations of their job.
To borrow your logic a bit, let's imagine a flight attendant who skipped the cell phone announcement. What other parts of their job might they be neglecting? Can you then trust them to check their fire extinguisher, oxygen and escape slide pressures before departure?
It's been the policy of each of the airlines I've worked for that pilots and flight attendants are to be truthful with passengers.
It doesn't matter what the delay is, we will always try to give as much insight as possible into the reason. There's honestly no incentive for us to tell passengers anything other than the truth.
The airline I currently work for decided to go through the long and costly process to demonstrate to the FAA that cell phone use after landing and while taxiing to the gate was safe.
The test involved filling every seat with a person using a cell phone from a variety of manufacturers on each of the airplanes the airline operated.
Little regard was given to GPS and ground-based navigation interference, since the airplane was simply taxiing to the gate. Subsequently, each airplane type at the company passed, except for one. When this airplane, an Airbus, was tested, for some reason the smoke detector in a lavatory would activate.
After further modifications, the FAA approved cell phone use while taxiing in for each one of our aircraft types. I realize this is anecdotal, but it does represent at least some sort of interference, I suppose.
In the past, the FCC banned cell phones inflight because they would interfere with the networks on the ground. According to the author of the Carnegie Mellon study:
The FCC feels it can probably lift the ban, even if there are problems of interference [on board airplanes]. They're saying to FAA, "If you want a ban, that's your territory."
Europe has recently approved cell phone use inflight, but that's still subject to the European Aviation Safety Agency determining that interference isn't an issue. I suppose in the U.S. if the public demands the use of cell phones on an airplane (a big if) then it's going to be up to the airlines to convince the FAA it's safe.
But please don't blame the pilots or the flight attendants for following the regulations that are currently in place.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Jul 18th 2008 @ 11:24AM
Amanda said...
doesn't matter if he wants to use his phone on the plane there is no signal up 33000 feet i know i've tried and no the plane did not fall out of the sky lol...
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Jul 18th 2008 @ 12:57PM
Brenda SFO said...
Keep the ban on cell phones!!! The last thing I want to hear when I'm trying to snooze or read is someone yammering away on their cell phone! I feel very strong about this issue. Shut up, hang up, and try reading or sleeping!
If they must allow cell phones on aircraft, they better construct a sound-proof booth in the aircraft where all of those incessant chatterers can go and yak away without me hearing their blather!
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Jul 18th 2008 @ 1:52PM
Slappy said...
Here's where it is a safety issue:
If I have to listen to the same conversations I hear on transit, in restaurants or at work while trapped in an airplane I will NOT be responsible for how poorly I respond.
There are few, if any, emergencies in the world you can do anything about while on the plane, so sit down, be quiet, try and relax, and stop thinking the world revolves around you.
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Jul 18th 2008 @ 3:51PM
Scott said...
What is so different about talking into a cell phone than talking to the pax next to you?
If I talk to the guy next to me, nobody gets angry. If I speak to my children at the same volume to tell them that daddy loves and and wish them good night, why does that incense people?
Why is it that the exact same FA's in europe would threaten you will jail for harming the navigation system in the airplane a few months ago, but now that the airline charges for using their in-plane cell antenna you suddenly aren't harming the navigation system?
If it is dangerous, why has not one of the dozens of attempts of putting hundreds of brands of cell phones right next to navigation equipment ever shown any effect?
If it is dangerous, why does every major airline fly right over cell towers, tv towers and radio towers on every take off and landing? If the inside of the plane weren't completely filled with RF, your phone and radio wouldn't work on the ground.
I think the yelling at pax to turn off cell phones is just ammunition for the FA's to wind themselves up and yell at more pax.
I think they should worry about more important things, like the extremely high risk of death I'm putting myself in if I my seatback is reclined an extra 5 degrees on landing or taking away my bagel because it has cream cheese, or x-raying millions of shoes a day in machines that cannot detect explosives.
Of course, while you can't bring a gel on, you can bring a block of hard cheese, because as far as the TSA research has shown, something needs to be moist to be explosive.
I guess it does make sense to ban cream cheese, because with the ban on cigarette lighters lifted we could all use the extra space for our lighters.
But in all seriousness, there is a very good point to all these rules. You see, we wouldn't have comedy without them.
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Jul 18th 2008 @ 8:23PM
Slappy said...
Hi Scott,
If, and that is a huge IF, one made a 30 second phone call in a soft/normal speaking tone to wish their children good night that might be acceptable.
However, if you want to be honest about it, the loud talking/near yelling of many cell phone talkers plus obnoxious ring tones, etc. is what people want banned.
So since there is plenty of demonstrated examples of "people" with their cell phones (been to a movie lately?) being disrespectful to others than no cell phones use. Period.
Jul 19th 2008 @ 4:45AM
w67 said...
Scott,
is it impossible to tell your children you love them when you are still in the airport ? is it necessary to call them in the sky? how was our life before cell phones ?
Jul 21st 2008 @ 8:10PM
Val said...
Scott,
I agree with you 100%!!! The only way talking on a cell phone is different than having a conversation with the person next to you is that others around you can only hear one side of the conversation instead of both!! I wish we could have a whole "code of silence" on flights (and in other public areas) but until we do, I don't see why cell phones are any more irritating than passengers talking to each other for an entire flight.
Jul 23rd 2008 @ 10:32AM
Scott said...
Thanks Val, do you remember when you used to book smoking or non-smoking? We could have planes that have quiet sections for those who want them.
Personally, I'm 10 times more annoyed by the announcements than anyone talking or cell phones.
I was sleeping once and woken up by an announcement telling us we were flying over the equator.
For anyone who manages to fall asleep, I would imagine remaining asleep is of more value than hearing the weather in the arrival city.
Jul 18th 2008 @ 7:52PM
John said...
Unfortunately not everybody is going to call their children in a normal tone and kiss them good night. Sit in any restaurant or public arena for awhile and listen to the world that surrounds us....ridiculous. As far as whether cell phones interfere or not, Kent noted a study (one of many) that prove that it does. I fly a corporate jet and yes I can tell when the pax have their cell phones on through occasional hiccups in the systems. Do we fall out of the sky? No. Does it add a risk factor? Yes.
And here's one question for everyone~ Can you imagine what a cabin full of passengers would be like after a couple hours if FAs were not there to keep things in check? Think about it.
Kent, love the blog, keep up the great work and safe skies ahead....from a fellow Granite Stater!
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Jul 19th 2008 @ 4:43AM
Brenda SFO said...
Can you imagine? Say you are on a flight that is 18:35, like the one I recently was on from Johannesburg to JFK - everyone has settled down after cocktails and a meal, the cabin lights have been dimmed, and you're finally drifting to sleep. Suddenly, cell phones start to go off around you, many with the most obnoxious of ring tones, only they're not quickly silenced because they are in the overhead bins, or the passengers can't find them in their carry-on luggage. You don't sleep well on airplanes, but you had finally managed to drift off to sleep, and now the passengers are yakking away around you. You are a non-violent person by nature, but suddenly you become enraged, those cocktails you had before you started to sleep make you feel bold. You are going to say something dammit! Oh, what does this mean? What? A fight among passengers or flight crew? What is that you say? The flight attendants don't have enough to worry about these days, so they should referee cell phone issues?
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Jul 19th 2008 @ 8:21AM
Kent Wien said...
Very descriptive! The best argument yet against phones inflight.
Just give us internet access and I'll be happy (as a passenger, of course)
Jul 19th 2008 @ 2:07PM
Brenda SFO said...
Internet access is a good thing Kent! Anything but the constant yakking and obnoxious ringing of cell phones! :))
Jul 19th 2008 @ 8:58AM
Raymond said...
It's really time that people understand that the Flight Attendants ARE only doing thier jobs! We don't make up these rules, we just enforce them. Folks are nuts with the cell phones anymore. Its pretty bad when your in a public restroom and the person next to you is sitting on the pot talking to a client! I TRY to be as quiet as I can when flushing of course! OOPS! Tubro Flush!
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Jul 19th 2008 @ 12:12PM
jon said...
I know that some of the pilots in the air force use their cell phones inflight and there alright but the only problem is at 300 feet it was still mostly static.
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Jul 19th 2008 @ 4:55PM
pat said...
don't you think that if cell phones were a danger, the terrorists would be covertly using them on flights to cause mayhem? if they could direct a plane's navigation system to cause it to fly into a building the terrorists wouldn't have to waste time taking flying lessons the the SAUDIS AND EGYPTIANS (NOT IRAQIS) did on 9-11.
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Jul 20th 2008 @ 12:57PM
KAY said...
Cell Phones; do not need to be on at all! In fact if it comes to that; they should have to pack it in their bags if they ever get caught with one! IT IS PATHETIC! These people seem to use them as pacifiers! If they are afriaid to fly; then they should stay home!
THEY CAN ALSO INTERFERE WITH PACEMAKERS
for other passengers if they have one! MAKE A RULE THAT ANYONE WHO HAS A CELL PHONE IN THE ON POSTION; SHOULD HAVE IT TAKEN AWAY AND DESTROYED! That should fix them. That is what a teacher will do in College Classes. NO 2ND CHANCE!
STRIKE ONE AND YOUR ARE OUT OR OFF THE PLANE!
Forgive them for they do not have any sense or Manners! They need Manners or stay Home!
For God and Country! God Bless America!
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Jul 20th 2008 @ 1:17PM
Heather Poole said...
Well said, Kent!
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Jul 20th 2008 @ 2:58PM
Brenda SFO said...
I could go on with endless cell phone rants!...LOL...they annoy the hell out of me, well actually the people using them annoy me.
I was at a Mexican restaurant last night having drinks and dinner with a bunch of travel industry folks, and we had this conversation - they are all against cell phones inflight. People need to learn to shut up sometimes! Or, in the spirit of compromise, maybe they could have cell phone free zones, (like smoking or non smoking) or cell phone free flights.
Personally, I just think it's ridiculous that people can't shut up and be on their own without their phone for a few hours.
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Jul 21st 2008 @ 12:13PM
w67 said...
In french high speed train ( TGV) cell phone are forbidden , except for some places in the train
( between the wagons) , where you must go if you want to call someone .
Jul 21st 2008 @ 2:17PM
Dr. Breathless said...
if cell phone calls make it on the plane, then we all should hook our ipods, gameboys and computer to mini speakers and crack it up. I see it as equivalent
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