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Talking Travel with Timothy Ferriss
Serial entrepreneur and ultravagabond Timothy Ferriss has been featured by dozens of media, including The New York Times, National Geographic Traveler, NBC, and MAXIM. He speaks six languages, runs a multinational firm from wireless locations worldwide, and has been a world-record holder in tango, a national champion in Chinese kickboxing, and an actor on a hit television series in Hong Kong -- all by the age of 29.His new book, The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich, was released on April 24th, and it quickly rocketed to the #8 spot of Amazon's best-seller list. Gadling got the chance to sit down with Tim, and discuss everything from his new book, his travels, language learning, and what it takes to scape that 9-5 job, live anywhere in the world, and join the "new rich."
As always, Gadling has a few copies of his book to giveaway, so stick around after the interview to find out how you can get your hands on one.
How did you get started traveling?It was thrust upon me as a sophomore in high school. I was selected to spend a year living in Japan as an exchange student, and it became my first trip outside of the U.S.. I was told I would receive "Japanese classes," which ended up being actual classes -- physics, classical Japanese, world history -- alongside 5,000 Japanese students! Talk about lost in translation. I'd only had six months of Japanese in the U.S. prior to landing and couldn't even read exit signs. Even though I had failed to learn any Spanish in two years of study in gradeschool, in Japan I went from being illiterate to writing an article for my high school's newspaper in 11 months. Thereafter, my progression period for learning languages got shorter and shorter. The reason for this is simple: though I lacked the proper methods (the "how"), I became very good at choosing material (the "what"). This is the difference between being efficient and being effective.
From that point on, it was an addiction. In the last five years, I've gone through three passports and more than 25 countries.
You call yourself an "ultravagabond." What do you mean by this?
That's actually what other people call me because I relocate overseas for 1-3-month "mini-retirements" a few times a year. I suppose the "ultra" is tagged on because it's not nomadic behavior out of necessity -- I have a nice home near San Francisco and manage a business for a few hours a week from wireless locations around the world. I don't sacrifice income when I take these trips. I've actually saved about $32,000 in the last 12 months when compared to the alternative of just sitting at home in CA! Digital lifestyle design offers some amazing options once you learn to leverage time and mobility. From overseas tax credits to outsourcing your life, there are some incredible "lifehacks" right under people's noses.
You speak 6 languages -- how does this affect how and where you travel?Before I answer that, I just want to point out that I believe -- no, I know -- that adults can learn languages faster than children. It's supported by the research in "In Other Words" by Hakuta, I've done the research in Chinese character (kanji) acquisition, and I learned all of my foreign languages after age 15. I think it's possible to become conversationally fluent -- being able to speak, not just listen, 30 minutes without missing a word is my benchmark -- in any language within three months.
I travel, in large part, to learn languages, so I like to relocate somewhere at least once per year where I don't speak the native tongue. Culture is shared thought patterns, and thinking in adults is largely indistiguishable from language; thus, it's impossible to understand a culture without understanding the language. Croatia and Latvia are next on my list, though Russia and Holland are looking good as well, since the book rights have been sold in both places. For the warm and fuzzy feeling of returning home to a favorite language, I'll settle in Tokyo or Buenos Aires for 1-3 months.
Do you believe there is a capacity on how many languages one can be fluent in?
At one time, yes. I don't believe it is possible for someone to have near-native fluency in languages from more than three or four families at the same time. That said, there is an unlimited number of languages you can become fluent over the span of a lifetime. In my case, for example, I have conversational fluency in two or three languages at a time, usually because they bridge families. Currently, I'm most comfortable in Japanese, Argentine Spanish, and Mandarin, in that order. But, if I have a week in Berlin or Milan, for example, I can "reactivate" conversational fluency in German or Italian. Maintaining half a dozen languages would be a full-time job, even two is a huge time drain, so I depend on a specific sequence for what I call "reactivation".
Let me answer that with a story. I recently had lunch in San Francisco with a good friend and former college roommate. He will soon graduate from a top business school and return to investment banking. He hates coming home from the office at midnight but explained to me that, if he works 80-hour weeks for 6-9 years, he could become a managing director and make a cool $3-10 million per year. Then he would be "successful".
"Dude, what on earth would you do with $3-10 million per year?" I asked. His answer? "I would take a long trip to Thailand."
That just about sums up one of the biggest self-deceptions of our modern age: extended world travel as the domain of the uberrich. If your dream, the pot of gold at the end of the career rainbow, is to live large in Thailand, sail around the Caribbean, or ride a motorcycle through China, guess what? All of them can be done for less than $3,000. I've done all three.
$3,000 still seem like a lot? For $250 in Panama, I spent five days on a private Smithsonian tropical research island with three local fishermen who caught and cooked all my food and also took me on tours of the best hidden dive spots in Central America. For $150 in Mendoza wine country in Argentina, I chartered a private plane and flew over the most beautiful vineyards and snow-capped Andes with a private pilot and personal guide.
The trick, of course, is creating time. This requires separating income from traditional ass-in-seat time and moving from presence-based to performance-based work. I cover remote work negotiation at length in the book -- even including actual scripts case studies have used -- but it's not as difficult as most think. There is a great sequence many lifestyle designers use, called the "hour-glass" approach because it begins with a long period out of the office, returns to a short period, then expands back to a long period. Here's how it works:
- Use a pre-planned project or emergency (family issue, personal issue, relocation, home repairs, whatever) that requires you to take one or two weeks out of the office.
- Say that you recognize you can't just stop working, and that you would prefer to work instead of take vacation days.
- Propose how you can work remotely and offer, if necessary, to take a pay cut for that period (and that period only) if performance isn't up to par upon returning.
- Allow the boss to collaborate on how to do it so that he or she is invested in the process.
- Make the two weeks "off" the most productive period you've ever had at work.
- Show your boss the quantifiable results upon returning, and tell him or her that - without all the distractions, commute, etc. - you can get twice as much done. Suggest two or three days at home per week as a trial for two weeks.
- Make those remote days ultra-productive.
- Suggest only one or two days in the office per week.
- Make those days the least productive of the week.
- Suggest complete five-day-per-week mobility - the boss will go for it.
Timothy Ferriss's The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich (Crown, $19.95) debuted in bookstores on April 24, 2007.
As promised, we have copies of the book to give away to two lucky Gadling readers! Just leave a comment below and our magical system will automatically select two random winners -- but make sure you use a valid email address, as we'll have to contact you to get your mailing address. For official rules, please click here. Comments and contest will close one week from today, May 4 at 8:00 PM.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Willy Apr 27th 2007 1:53PM
Love the concept, but if I work at home 3 days a week and in the office 2 days a week, how am I only working 4 hours each week? Or have I missed the point?
Karen Apr 27th 2007 2:46PM
Can you expand that concept to traveling with a family?
Jay Apr 27th 2007 2:42PM
he's got the right idea. I'm going to save up $5k and take a year off and go around the world. Definitely possible!
Justin Apr 27th 2007 7:44PM
I'd rather just leave the corporate job all together...
Angela Apr 27th 2007 3:09PM
I'm intrigued, though not sure how much will apply to my situation. Looking forward to reading the book!
David Apr 27th 2007 3:10PM
I'd love to add to my travel time!
Yoshi Kundagawa Apr 27th 2007 3:24PM
The crux of the 4 hour work week is to create automated income streams that work without you. That way you don't get stuck trading time for money.
I used to coach jui-jitsu at $20 an hour, now I write about it and get paid awake or asleep. http://winyourmmafight.com
akl168 Apr 28th 2007 12:13AM
I love it - the best way to see the world is to just go. There's so much out there, why wait?
Ammar Ijaz Apr 27th 2007 5:58PM
This idea of the four-hour work week is starting to push me to change my major financial goal of saving and investing enough money to become financially independant and then have the time freedom to do whatever want, to the idea of creating automated streams of income that don't require my presence and enjoy my life to the fullest.
Bernard Apr 27th 2007 7:16PM
Wow you're living my dream life!
John Apr 28th 2007 11:36AM
Not sure if I could enjoy travelling if I still had to check in at work for a few hours a week...
vaguelyamused Apr 28th 2007 11:49AM
I think the hard part would be to make time for work when you were somplace fascinating. Looking forward to reading the book!
Tim Ferriss Apr 29th 2007 1:29AM
Hi All,
Tim Ferriss, the author and interviewee, here. I'm in NYC for book launch media, so I might not be able to post many comments, but here are a few responses to your questions:
1. The "four-hour" workweek is a real possibility, but it is also a process. Therefore, if you get from working 5 days a week in the office to 2, it is one step of several. I should note that I don't recommend working from home as much as I recommend working outside of a single office with boss supervision. I don't work at home because it makes work-life "separation" much harder, and your mind tends to remain in the proverbial office 24/7.
2. The book, and the concept of "lifestyle design", is also about one thing: creating options. Remote work is one option, whereas creative entrepreneurship and quitting your job (or taking severance and using it to cover a one-year round-the-world trip) are other alternatives. It's not about how to become Tim Ferriss but the most fulfilled version of yourself. The book is intended to be a menu from which you can choose the most exciting and appropriate path.
3. This can, and is, extended to families. More than 50% of the case studies I interviewed had families, some were even single mothers, and many had no desire to start their own companies. Having a family is, in my opinion, the best reason to claim control of your time, even if that's just evenings and weekends in the beginning.
Hope this helps, and remember: live life instead of postponing it!
Cheers,
Tim
www.timferriss.com
Mel Apr 29th 2007 9:10AM
I'm about to graduate from college and am taking a year off to volunteer before I - well, I was originally going to say "get a 'real' job," but after reading about what Tim did, I'm not so sure! Is there anything you'd change about the route to the 4-hour workweek if you're starting from 0 hours a week and not 40 (but also have school debts instead of money)?
hello Apr 29th 2007 9:15AM
I would love to know more about the content and process of your language learning. Do you have more info on the web about that?
LadyExapt (Nancie) Apr 29th 2007 5:51PM
Great interview! This guy has the right idea. I definitely want to read his book.
http://www.360.yahoo.com/bunni56531
nilram Apr 29th 2007 10:59PM
Ditto on the language learning, I'd love to hear more about your process.
Melissa Smith May 1st 2007 12:28PM
This is amazing! I am changing my life as soon as I get this book.
Edgar Apr 30th 2007 11:30AM
This is great stuff. I love just about any philosophy that deals with getting out of the typical 40 hour work week and promotes extended travel.
Jason Apr 30th 2007 12:37PM
This is exactly what I (as well as others) have been looking for. A way to enjoy life, while having the time and money to do so. I'm all for automated money, I think even if you do enjoy the 40+ hour work week you should still have other income options. Tim Ferriss is such an inspiration, all the best in the future.